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Mace Windu vs Anakin Skywalker
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Darth Thor
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^ There's a huge strength, stamina and power gap though.

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Windu dies


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^ There's a huge strength, stamina and power gap though.


According to Mustafar duel, there shouldn't be.


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^ There's a reason Kenobi kept moving backwards. And it's not just because he's a defensive fighter. He was constantly giving ground to neutralise Anakin's strength advantage. The script even states Kenobi was being "forced" backwards.

Plus the script describes the Anakin, Dooku, Kenobi fight describing Anakin getting stronger as the fight went on whilst Kenobi and Dooku got weaker. The novel describes a similar situation.

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Obi-Wan had better balance, while Anakin lacks that. So, it is true that Anakin had better strength and stamina, but he still failed to use it properly against Obi-Wan.

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Obi-Wan stepped backward onto the conduit without hesitation, his balance flawless as he parried chop after chop. Anakin came on.

(...)

Before Anakin could recover his balance, Obi-Wan took a running leap that became a graceful dive headlong off the crane deck.

---Revenge of the Sith Novel


That balance of Obi-Wan is even better at Windu tbh.


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^ Ok what about the passage of the novel with Kenobi trying anything desperate to slow Skywalker down? And with Skywalker Force slamming Kenobi against the room?

The novel also makes it clear they knew each others moves inside out, which is the same thing Nick Gillard said. Which was the reason given for them being so equal in skill and combat prowess.

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Well, I know one thing now, we should consider ''balance'' in these debates from now on, clearly Obi-Wan was not faster and stronger than Anakin but he still won in the end. RotS Novel implies that he won because of the ''balance''.


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Well, I know one thing now, we should consider ''balance'' in these debates from now on, clearly Obi-Wan was not faster and stronger than Anakin but he still won in the end. RotS Novel implies that he won because of the ''balance''.


But the film showed he won by gaining the tactical advantage. Nothing to do with Fencing Prowess.

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But the film showed he won by gaining the tactical advantage. Nothing to do with Fencing Prowess.


Well that too, I agree. 'Sokan' is another weapon of Kenobi. He used that technique many times, even before Mustafar as well.

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Lets say he stalemated via balance advantage, won via tactical advantage.


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But the film showed he won by gaining the tactical advantage. Nothing to do with Fencing Prowess.


Still, Anakin made a tactical mistake that Obi-wan wouldn't. Windu is a superior combatant to Kenobi and there is no reason to believe Anakin would do better against Windu. Besides, the calm ROTS Anakin wouldn't be as powerful as he was at that point and a raged Anakin would do even worse against Windu.

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Windu is a superior combatant to Kenobi and there is no reason to believe Anakin would do better against Windu.


Except Dooku is also a superior combatant to Kenobi, and Skywalker DID perform better against Dooku than he did against Kenobi, so your point is void.

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Except Dooku is also a superior combatant to Kenobi, and Skywalker DID perform better against Dooku than he did against Kenobi, so your point is void.


But we know that part of the fight was majorly circumstantial and in the exact same situation, it would go the opposite way with Windu.

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I don't see any speed or skill disparity between Anakin & Obi-Wan here, honestly. This is a really good example since they were fighting against the basically same level opponents ;


In movies and TCW you will not see speed disparity even between Force sensitives and non-sensitives. Skill is determined by the ability to outskill opponent. More skilled one is not going to look more impressive, he is just less likely to lose a fight. And how fast a fight ends depends on circumstances. In other words you can't really use that as an example.

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But we know that part of the fight was majorly circumstantial and in the exact same situation, it would go the opposite way with Windu.

How do you know how it would go with Windu? 0.o

If we remove circumstances, it leaves both Anakin and Windu with the same saber prowess but Anakin has power advantage, which gives Anakin higher win probability.

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And let the retardation begin...


u mad

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I'm mad that people overstate Mace's skill, when in All honesty his dueling feats barely put him above Kenobi


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I have no problem with that as long as the madness is stated.

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You werent quoting me dawg. Windu struggled with Bulq, Tiin, Ventress, and Grievous. He'd fare no better than Dooku did against the flaming passion of the furnace heart


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I know I didn't quote you but I assumed you shared a similar opinion.

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I'm mad that people overstate Mace's skill, when in All honesty his dueling feats barely put him above Kenobi

In all honesty difference between 8 and 9 is indeed bare. smile

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And I assume you'd wank Windu in spite of the fact his showings are more comparable to Kenobi than posters here want to admit


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