I think Gorgon is much, much faster than Giganta, Hawk, or Mammoth, and I think he's tactical enough to take out Canary first, either with his gigantic sword or with stone stare.
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hmm, bc is nothing close to a novice though and i'm pretty sure hawk has super speed. dinah's been part of both the jla and the jsa and held her own against the league-level threats. gorgon is def faster, but tactically speaking? i wouldn't say he's above these girls much, if at all. given starting distance and basic knowledge, her cry hits before he reaches them. once they scatter it becomes much more difficult for him. he'd beat them 1 on 1, but i'd give the 3 of them the win much more often than not against him. take her cry away and he wins this. i'd had more respect for him when he first came on the scene.
Dove (In Hawk and Dove series) was able to hang with Speed Queen. And Hawk was able to hang with Dove. Both have enhanced speed, strength, and healing factors.
No one's calling them chumps. Losing to Spidey level doesn't make you a chump, it makes you a street leveler in all around physical averages.. Which Canary and Shiva are, if on the very upper limit of street.
So which lesser showings?
Struggling with Phobos? Maybe.. I don't really know enough about the character to judge. But some of Gorgon's better feats come from the story line, like "disarming" YoYo mid sprint, and tanking a giant foot through a rock surface..
He h trouble with Lord Rand. Personally, I'd consider the fact it was a competition a super high end showing for Gorgon.
And Shang Chi also held his own.. barely. Before getting ultimately crushed.
Maybe Gorgon has worse showings out there by now, but he's no one hit wonder. His feats are more extensive and consistant then Black Tarantula or Master Izo, both who have the feats to handle just about any street..
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Gorgon has one bad showing, it was during Bendis' nonsensical short lived, Dark Avengers revival, which Hickman didn't even acknowledge when he started writing Gorgon again.
Honestly, barring the canary cry, no one here can even hurt Gorgon.
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his dark avengers showings were not great, for sure, compared to his early showings of effortlessly taking out logan and elektra like they were 2nd graders. the fist showing was certainly not impressive given those early showings, nor was the shang showing. all those showings--looking at the speed and sill used in those fights--don't place him that far outside this trio. bats could certainly hang with fist or shang in h2h which means shiva, cass and even bc can come pretty damn close as well. i agree that he wins though due to speed if the cry is left out. it wouldn't be impossible i suspect though, to find some showings from these 3 that would throw some possible doubt on that belief however.
Yeah, it wasn't 'standard' Shang. Didn't he crush a Builder robot with ease with the same upgrades?
Iron Fist was about to get offed, if not for Daredevil. Gorgon also was kinda forced then to emulate Wolverine's fighting style, claws and all. Anyway, it's Bendis' specialty to make the villains job even harder than usual. All of the so-called "New Dark Avengers" were fodder. Sans maybe Superia. Skaar doesn't count since he was undercover, working for Avengers... hell, he still jobbed to Fist.
Anyway, CC - at its peak power - is team's only chance. A cheap win, but a win.
DC fans also forget that pre-reboot feats got flushed down the toilet. There is a Nu Canary Does she have any good CC feats?
"No fanboy", his speed and striking feats put him closer to Spidey level then Batman's. And you don't think Batman could hold his own with Parker...
....do you?
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