Think people should relax a little with the negative criticsms on this topic. Just cause midichlorians are manipulated doesnt make Palps or Plags Anikans father, they are of no relation other than using a force to create a life. I always thought the chosen one idea where Anikan is basically Jesus was always a cheap story line, along with the whole introduction of the term midiclorians. This revelation of manipulation actually makes the story better, more dramatic and makes Ep 1 a better movie aswell. Think about it, Anikan has an extrodinary midiclorian count becuase he is Palps future weapon of destruction. I hope this spoiler is true because the whole prophecy story where someone just is what the are because their the chosen one has been played to death (eg. Neo from the Matrix)
Ummmm, I dont think anyone thing thinks Ani is Jesus, what with the mass destruction & force choking & all...LOL! I know what you mean though, the immaculate conception thing is a bit strange, even for George. But I always liked the midi's, once I heard Geroge's explanation (that they are based on the mitochondria in our own DNA). i would like to hear them addressed in this movie since they were totally ignored in Ep 2. But whether Sids or Plag are the 'Father' of Anakin really doesn't matter. Fact is, he WAS born and all the events of the saga unfolded after that. So to hear more about his origin might be interesting but is not necessary to move the plot along.
The way i see it is that Sideous planned to train Ani from the start but the plan went wrong when the jedi discovered him first, therfore installing into Ani the little bit of good and compassion that eventually saved luke in ROTJ.
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first i wpuld like to say who the hell is Darth Plagueis ?????
and even papy can make a someone have more midichlorians. if so y not do it in maul? or a boy he made more direst control over at a young age to train like he did maul. not make the boy have so much power and send him to tatoonie. and Anakin didnt have a father.
what you people are not seeming to grasp is that you need to think of this issue in a storytellers mind-sight. what would make a better story palp somehow creating ani, of just saying its a mystery? it just gives the story more depth. if it was truly a mystery then that would make Lucas a very bad storyteller in my opinion. you people are taking what palp is saying to literally, you need to pay more attention to facial expressions and such. when when he is talking about plag, what i get from his expression is a sense of remembrance (maby loss??) when he mentioned that his apprentace killed his master in his sleep. and about the way shumi got impregnated, we dont know how the "force" works maby from naboo of wherever palp was he senced what female would produce the best chosen one. to contradict what PVS said,
"most likely palps had no idea of shmi and anakin...just that somewhere in the galaxy was the one conceived by the force. when he met anakin in episode 1, he knew he found him. for all we know, finding the chosen one was far overdue in his plans, since anakin was raised on a non-republic planet where the jedi just barely discovered him."
cant some jedi/sith see the future? there is no argument that palp had total control of everything in the clone wars why not anikens birth? and to impose that the finding aniken was a fluke directly goes against star wars lore, didnt yoda say something like "there is no coincidences just the will of the force". palp could have saw that qui gon and company would land at that section of tatooine and planned the rest from there... who knows?
anyway sorry to have ranted so long i just hate it when people get in the way of creativity
you have to watch all of them, all 6 back too back
ok ive read what every one has wrote, some are close and some are lost lol. first in part one we find out Ani has no father. but nothing else is said, part one we also find out he has a very hi force count in his blood even higher than Yotta. , now lets not forget the bigg picture. ANI was a slave not by chance ethier it was over a lost bet. and it was also said in part one that if he live closer to the jedi that they would have noticed his powers sooner. ( this brings the question was ANI being hid, somthing like the clones, and by chance or faith a JEDI found him. a boy with more powers then Yotta growing up in a part of the univers were good can not be found. YOTTA even said in part one that he found fear in Ani and traites that were already groomed in him to go twords evil. part 2 shows us a lil taste of what YOTTA saw. now part 2 did any one notice that ANI kept his mom alive?? he wanted her not to die and as a YOUNG PADIWON learner he had enough power to keep her alive because he felt her and cared for her, a whole month of tourture and rape, look how she was tide down. she stayed alive till he saw her. he new she was still alive threw the force ( remeber this because i will go back to it once i get to part 3) OBI askes YATTA ' isn't ANI the chosin one? YATTA states for the first time the profesy mite have been miss read. all the proficy states is there will be a JEDI who will bring Balance to the force. before i go any further i want to remind or inform you all 6 movies are about ANI/ darth vader, know one else!!! unles you learn this the rest will loose you. the only think this movie does not exsplain is the dark side, because it would be a whole new 6 part movie. so i will ask a question to get you on track just incase i lost you. what if?? the dark side had a proficy too. did you notice that the dark side had an advantage in every movvie? yup it was the facted that ever Sith new the force and the arts of a JEDI as well as the dark side, JEDI's only new the force, Darth mall was discribed in part 1 as a thing that new the arts of the JEDI. the DOOK was discribed in part 2 as a man who once was a JEDI. part 3 PaPATIEN says he knows both. so what if, the great wise sith did creat ANI threw the powers of the dark side with out sex say they hid him, so the JEDI would not find him, say he told Papatien about what he did, in conjuction with the proficy. Palpatien KILLs the wise and there after the secrite of ANI is lost, just like the clones when the DUKE dide in part 3 by ANI untill found by a JEDI. remeber the dark side ruled before and was trying to rule again, as Papatien exspained in part 3, so the siths were banking on ANI just like the JEDI was
and why not let the JEDI train ANI every other SITH wass traind by a JEDI even that 4 armed robot beast thing lol. now back befor i get back to the facts i just wanted to give you an idea of the story that was not told, wich was the dark story, now in part 4 BIN canobi states ANI was killed and in part 5 he tells luke the truth that ANI is dead and what is left is more machine then man. in part 3 when ANI was burning he was pritty much dead but thats when the Sith lord felt him went to get him or was that the case? see the Sith new the prificy but still wanted to rule as emire, so he had to make sure ANI could not reach 100% even the SITH new when he told YOTTA in battle that ANI would be stronger. AND Papatien new better then any Sith to get to the top you must kill your master. even Ani new that, thats what he told his wife in a promise to over threw the chanceler and rule, in part 3. Paputine also new that he could never tell ANI everything like the WISE sith before PAPATIEN. DARTH SIDIUSE never had it in mind to tell ANI how to save his wife, cus if he did ANI would not need him. , back toANI burning the darth SITH had to makes sure ANI did not reach 100% so he gave him an imposible mission for a big headed young pupli who would do anything to save his wife. KILL ALL THE JEDI straite suicide. when the clones were doing a good job, and if the two of them would have stuck together there would have been no part 4 but no Sith want a partner. lol he new ANI would FALL but right befor ANI could die the SITh rushed to him like ANI did his mom. but this time with full knowlege or the dark side the SITh kept ANI alive and told him his WIFE was dead, now why is that? dark vader yelled how i felt her, but then lost hope and fell for the lie, sence he gave up his conection with his wife was lost and his power was unable to keep her alive cus in his mind she was dead. this lie was told for 3 resones one if she lived ANI would CHOOSE her over the SITH, 2 she was the last bit of good left in him till part 6 when his\ son comes to remind him of his past. and 3 with her dead he is now 100% darth vader. who can not betray his new master because with out the SITH loard VADER new he would die. thats why when VADER killed the SITH in part 6 he told luke he could not go with him he new his life saveing force was gone thats how PAPATIEN wanted it, because of his ordeal with the one who started this DARTH p THE WISE. back to the proficy darth vader compleated it by killing the SITH and his self bringing balance to the force and returning to the light!!! somthing the Dark side and the jedi did not see haping from the PROFICY but yet in all even though miss read was still forfealed
both miss inturpeted the direct profecy. jedi looking for a quick fix, and the sith looking for an absaulute victory, notice duruing the movies every one had there own vision, part 3 the sith said" the dark side will rule again and there will be peace" in his eyes he was bringing peace ANI realy thought the JEDI was evil and was over throughing the seniet all on perseption, and perseption had every one see what they wanted to see what they needed to see aBOUT THE PROFICY. some might even say luke brought balasnce to the force.. but that would contridict the proficy and luke didnt kill anyone to bring the balance back, last but not lease the story is and was only about ANI
Omg m8!!!!! Please oh please, at least try to get the characters names right. And use paragraphs like Sir Mist stated above. I read the whole thing and it doesn't make sense because its very hard to read, maybe i'l re-read it and then perhaps make some conclusions.
Btw What kind of a prophecy are you talking about from the view of the dark side? That Vader will destroy the jedis?
And whats concerning this thread's title that would make Plagueis his maker, not father
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Anyone with any knowledge knows that Anakin's father is a Beef Burrito. Simply because we all know that Beef Burritos have the power to generate Midichlorians.... And they have tasty, Beefy goodness!
Jesus, Darth Plageius the Wise did not create Anakin Skywalker....
Count Dooku did. He decided he would steer away from his life as a potentially busy Jedi Master and go screw some random slave girl. DON'T Y'ALL KNOW?
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You're absolutely right about The Force creating Anakin. Not only did GL say it in an interview, it's also on the net as an interview in one of the magazines. I've read it, myself. I linked to it from a thread on the official site and read it, myself. If I can find it, which I sort of doubt because it was a month ago, then I'll post the link back here.
It was all a lie to get Anakin over to the Dark Side. A trick. Palps didn't have a clue as to how to create life, let alone stop someone from dying. He used that as a way to get Anakin to the Dark Side, plain and simple. He played on Anakin's emotions about the impending doom of Padme dying and led him to believe he could show him (Ani) how to save her.
Note that at the end, Palps tells Anakin that "Perhaps, together, we can find the way" AFTER it was too late. After Anakin killed Windu. He never knew if it could or could not be done, himself!
About time someone said something to close the issue
Anakin was what....9 in TPM?
So Plagueis had to create Anakin 9 yrs beforehand, then get killed by Palpatine, then Palpatine had to find a new apprentice.
No chance.
Since we dont know how old Palpatine was, or when he killed off Plagueis, or ANYTHING for that matter, there is no argument here. Anakin was born from the Force, clear and simple.
Found this interesting theory at starwars.com blog dated Jul 26, 2005..........
My theory is that Darth Plagueis can create life, and that, hidding away on Naboo, used his power to create a new being, a twisted creature of darkness that would help him overthow the Republic. This creature was named Darth Sidious.
The way his voice changes, the way he moves, his maniacal laughter and even his animal like roar he unleashes when attacking Mace and his fellow Jedi, all indicates to me that Sidious is not completly human, as if he is a creature created by the Sith. He can easily impersonate a human, as we see in Palpatine, and is incredibly intelligent, but when he is out of control, and in battle, we see the true Sidious.
With this creature of darkness now in the galaxy, the Force has only one option, and that is to create the Chosen One, Anakin. He will be the only one strong enough to stop the galaxy from being destroyed by Plagueis's creation.
Plagueis created a monster, one way or another. If Plagueis created Sidious to take over the galaxy, then Plagueis' monster resulted in his own death at the hands of his evil creation. If Sidious created Anakin, then Sidious brought about his own destruction. Whatever the history is, Sidious did create Vader, which set Anakin up to do his thing with Luke's help of course. There's just something about the idea that evil creates its own demise.
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