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Originally posted by DrDoom101
wait im slow on things, why did the SWAT shoot him when he raised the gun to his neck?


Apparently they shot him when he raised the gun at them, alsthough there are conflicting reports it seems.

What has been reported now is that the gun was just a BB gun that had been mocked up to look as real as possible.


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Damn, that's an unfortunate chain of events erm


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I wonder if the people who thought that, "he got what he deserved" still think that way after this information has been made known?


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Still..seems to me that aload of trigger happy hicks got there wish...


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I wonder if the people who thought that, "he got what he deserved" still think that way after this information has been made known?


People always make uneducated assumptions.


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He deserved it. The police made the right choice. Their lives were in danger. The kid ended his own life the minute he brought that gun into school..not the cops.


maybe not deserved, but after Columbine, anyone stupid enough to bring a weapon to school knows bad shit'll happen if they get caught out, just like this kid. not the cops fault


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Originally posted by Lana
The kid shouldn't have brought a gun to school...
The kid shouldn't have had access to a gun at all...

Go second amendment! roll eyes (sarcastic)


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The kid shouldn't have had access to a gun at all...

Go second amendment! roll eyes (sarcastic)


Jeez, chill out.

Why should a few deaths spoil the good gun owners' enjoyment?

See the whole picture, man.


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Originally posted by tabby999
maybe not deserved, but after Columbine, anyone stupid enough to bring a weapon to school knows bad shit'll happen if they get caught out, just like this kid. not the cops fault


Precisely.

I wouldn't say "deserve" but he didn't exactly try not to get shot did he?

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again... why didn't the police try using NON-leathal force??? perhaps tazers would of brought the kid down? or shooting gas grenades?? Or wounding the kid?

He was probably so scared of the police with guns that he didn't think to give up..


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Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
have to consider the source
That's a larf, coming from you.

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maybe not deserved, but after Columbine, anyone stupid enough to bring a weapon to school knows bad shit'll happen if they get caught out, just like this kid. not the cops fault


Any kind of weapon, at least one that fires projectiles. And even if it was mocked up to look as real as possible, that still means they though it was a real gun. It makes no difference.


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Let's stop making excuses because he was a kid. He wouldn't have used non-lethal means, anything he did would have quite possibly and likely have been lethal. He had a gun and the Police, not wanting to die, acted correctly.

It's unfortunate, but is there a way of INSTANT (literally) incapacitation that doesn't involve killing?

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It's unfortunate, but is there a way of INSTANT (literally) incapacitation that doesn't involve killing?

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Yes... tazers, high powered one will drop you easily for 5mins...
and the bean bag shot guns would drop you long enough for the police to act... Concidering he was cornered.. Without a hostage... and the only damage he could do was to himself... Don't you think at least trying to stun him would of been better then shooting him???

Killing anyone should be avoided.. Most people in that situation are desperate.. And with a airgun, whats he gonner do??? he was probably in a state of shock...


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Damn, that's an unfortunate chain of events erm


Exactly my point. Glad someone else saw it. And to you that are spouting off "If the kid brought a gun to school he deserved it!" in such a quick and easy way, I wonder if your opinion would be the same if this had been a family member of yours? I think not.

And Snoops I was just returning the favor you've paid me many a time yourself. smile smile


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He made his move. He recieved the consequences. Sad, but it's what happened.


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It's very unfortunate what happened to the kid but what were the cops supposed to do? It's all very well suggesting alternatives after the moment, but IN it I'm pretty sure they didn't want to do a practical test on whether the gun was real or not.

"Don't SHOOT! It might be a fake!"

*Kid shoots and kills a cop*

"Oops, real gun."

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It's very unfortunate what happened to the kid but what were the cops supposed to do? It's all very well suggesting alternatives after the moment, but IN it I'm pretty sure they didn't want to do a practical test on whether the gun was real or not.

"Don't SHOOT! It might be a fake!"

*Kid shoots and kills a cop*

"Oops, real gun."

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Erm... I think...

"Nation said Ralph Penley was "angry" because he had spoken to police before his son was shot and told them Christopher did not have a real gun. Christopher's younger brother told school officials the same thing, Nation said. "

Cops were told he didn't have a real gun... Cops have body armor and riot shields... I think they could of aforded to take the chance..
Or should the police open fire when ever they "feel" like there in danger?


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Or should the police open fire when ever they "feel" like there in danger?


I believe that's how it works.


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Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Erm... I think...

"Nation said Ralph Penley was "angry" because he had spoken to police before his son was shot and told them Christopher did not have a real gun. Christopher's younger brother told school officials the same thing, Nation said. "

Cops were told he didn't have a real gun... Cops have body armor and riot shields... I think they could of aforded to take the chance..
Or should the police open fire when ever they "feel" like there in danger?


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