quote: (post)

Originally posted by Nikkolas
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...ix-vs-hom-wanda

This enitre debate happened in this exact thread.

I think all of what GS shows there, and in this thread again, highlights his crippling self-confidence issues. I mean...GS, seriously. Do you have to beat your chest and shout "i won!!"? And, funnily enough, only you and only you are proclaiiming this fact.

I could understand if everyone was trumpetting this...ya know, everyone was going "OWNED!" but it's just you and it seems childish.

But, this entire argument happened in this thread everyone. Check it out.

quote: (post)

Originally posted by Mr Master


Since back in the day he's been proclaiming his own victories,

even though bull was his forte:

2005

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...oenix-vs-anyone

Check out page 1, 2 and there's more bull through out,

This isn't some "ignorant joe" talking out his ass,

this guy gives you issue #s and the whole nine, and still bull s ...


I particularly enjoyed the last page, where a respected current member spoke wisdom.

quote: (post)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The God Wave is the most powerful by far. Able to conquer all the forces of heaven and be a threat to the Presence.

quote: (post)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Next most powerful is the UN. It's the most powerful Multiversal thing in Marvel next to the Heart of the Infinite.

The A wave reminds me of Crisis in a way. Positive universe encroaching upon the negative.

quote: (post)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Lastly, Wanda's wave. It's has multiversal shaking power.

But It didn't really bother the order of things in any signifigant way except on earth.

quote: (post)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As ever, attempt to discredit where you cant out debate.

Please try and tell me your opinions on all things marvel and dc have remained unchanged since when you first registered.

As i thought, now please tell us what you thought you'd achieve by bringing up a thread from 2 YEARS AGO?

"discredit where you cant out debate"

quote: (post)

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
To play devil's advocate the spatial size of the warp may have been planet sized but cross into various dimensions.

Also a fracture in one reality must lead somewhere so a fracture in 616 could easily have lead to the place SK was sealed.

quote: (post)

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Oh God, here we go again.....




But i agree the Choas wave is the shizzle. And wanda obviously causes it. Mr Masters scans can pretty much attest to that

quote:

The God Wave is the most powerful by far. Able to conquer all the forces of heaven and be a threat to the Presence.

quote: (post)

Originally posted by superbatman86
Wasn't the god wave the thing that created The New gods like Darkseid and Highfather and the gods on earth?

quote: (post)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Noones doubting she caused it, what im arguing is that she never did it directly, as stated by Roma it was the result of a tear Wanda unknowingly caused in the dimensional wall of 616, it is NOT as some would claim something she directly created and powered.

quote: (post)

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
But i agree the Choas wave is the shizzle.

And wanda obviously causes it.

Mr Masters scans can pretty much attest to that

quote: (post)

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Thats true, but alot of what wanda has done has never been direct. She unkowingly created lyla millers power, alowed wolverine to remember his past, etc. Her powers are on a subconcious level, so she's was never really directly in control with alot of what she did to begin with (since dissasembled).

quote: (post)

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Thats true, but alot of what wanda has done has never been direct. She unkowingly created lyla millers power, alowed wolverine to remember his past, etc. Her powers are on a subconcious level, so she's was never really directly in control with alot of what she did to begin with (since dissasembled).

quote: (post)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Theres a difference between your powers directly creating something without your conscious willing of it and accidentally ripping a hole in reality which itself results in something.

The former is a direct manifestation of her power, the latter is just something her power was a catalyst for.

quote: (post)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The second time she warped reality is in reference to the "No More Mutants" event. That was her warping reality for the second time, ending house of M but reverting reality to its previous status with the exception of a dramatically reduced mutant population.

In those same Exiles issues it was stated as i've shown that the amount of reality 616 that she warped was actually just the Earth.

Exiles 72

"The House of M reality has once again been revised. The Exiles were forced to withdraw leaving Beak and Angel to face, whatever fate has befallen EARTH 616"

(please log in to view the image)


This global scale reference came AFTER your scan and it highlights how ambiguous your "reality 616" quote is. The amount of reality 616 isnt defined in your scan from Exiles 71. It is a statement open to interpretation, understand that. My scan from Exiles 72 verifies what interpretation is correct, she directly applied GLOBAL changes.




Reality 616 was engulfed by Wandas reality warp. Its just a shame for your argument that it was only Earth 616 as defined by the Exiles comics your scans come from and by Roma the omniversal guardian with her reference to a "global alteration" That same instance is the one the handbook refers to when it says "dimension 616 was engulfed" and on panel, the reality warp was stated to be global. Your evidence provides the locale, mine the scale directly affected.

quote: (post)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thanks to your habit of reposting all i need do is post a link to your own thread in which i swatted aside a virtually identical Wanda HOM argument quite thoroughly:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...-a-scans-galore

On top of that saying "all of reality" is an ambiguous, inconclusive statement and unless defined by conclusive art or further description cant be used as conclusive evidence to prove your point, when it itself is inconclusive.

All of reality for what? Wheres the defined scale. We know she didnt warp the entire multiverse, yet the lines so ambiguous someone without knowledge of the event could interpret it so.

All of the universe? That line can be interpreted so and yet no scale is determined so that too is not definitive and still a possibility.

All of Earths reality? Another possibility as the sentence has no scale, however when you look through continuity you can also see that the scale of the warp has been defined and various times on panel:

Uncanny X-men 462

Romas "global alteration"

(please log in to view the image)

Exiles 70

"The WORLD burned white. Welcome to House of M"

"Earth 616 has been transformed while they were away"

(please log in to view the image)

Exiles 72

"The House of M reality has once again been revised. The Exiles were forced to withdraw leaving Beak and Angel to face, whatever fate has befallen EARTH 616"

(please log in to view the image)


Uncanny X-men 475:

"The Scarlet Witch lost her mind and used her mutant power to alter reality transforming the WORLD"


(please log in to view the image)


Scale of the warp is defined as global and of being confined to the world, earth 616. No ambiguous open to interpretation "she transformed reality", "she did this to all reality" BULLSH*T

Show me a scan saying that she transformed the entire universe into House of M or this is pretty much done and dusted.