Apparently, in comics experience means absolutely DICK. I'm serious. The BEST martial artist in comic book history is Karate Kid who's just a 16 year old punk kid. So, with that in mind, it is said often enough, and it's been shown often enough that strategizing is Batman's "bag" so to speak.
I agree with you on the hell fire lord thing. But, his genius is usually needed by the JLA at one point or another. He can make himself think like criminals, so that they are able to trace and track the criminal. Again, detective work is Batman's "bag" considering he's the best detective on EARTH.
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So we're just supposed to ignore reoccuring instances in comics just because you don't like them? J'onn and Batman usually interchange with their strategizing skills in the JLA. They have expressed their dependency on him before. He's there to be the overall strategizer for the team. But, if you want to get nasty, what's the reason for WW to be on the team? Female canon fodder.
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As I said, CANONICALLY (which means in the comic) Batman is essential to the team.
But when you really think about it logically and you factor in what everybody else can do, he's not that special. J'onn's already a detective. Not as good as Bats. But good enough.
Diana is the magic forte. She's also the highly-skilled combatant that can take down most opponents.
If the team is facing a Norse God or something crawling out of Tarturus, she leads the team.
And for strategem, it's Batman. MM has admitted this. Why would he lie? J'onn is good, but even in his own series, he isn't as good of a strategizer as Batman. He comes up with the overall plans. To be honest, they don't even need Plastic Man. They have him covered with Martian Manhunter.
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Strategm. Batman is canonically for some reason or another better than two people who were fighting wars when he was pooing in a diaper. Realistically they should be better than him.
Batman IS kinda like Captain America on the team. When he isn't being a dick...
Plastic Man is comic relief through and through. The purpose of the Fernus storyline was to make two underrated characters look good.
Again, experience doesn't hold any ground for ANY reason in comics. Fighting skills, intellect, etc.
There's a difference between intellect, and wisdom. It's obvious Batman is the intellectual, while they perhaps have more wisdom. But, his strategizing skills come in handy.
And why exactly is it only canonically there, when it's plain as can see that strategy and detective skills are what he's best at in the group? Is Superman not the strongest? Is J'onn not a good combination of Batman and Superman? Is Kyle not the most powerful? Is Flash not the fastest? Is Wonder Woman not the most magically wisdom filled group member?
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If they aren't, then why logically are they? You aren't making sense here. It aplies to everything in comics. Comics don't make sense. They aren't shown to be, so why are we to assume so?
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In the comics, Plastic Man was the only one was telepathically immune to Fernus...which is bull since Green Lantern has uber psi shields and Diana is as immune to telepathy as a piece of granite.
Don't know why Green Arrow or Hawkgirl is on the new team...
Unless they give Hawkgirl the magic-nullifying Nth metal like they did in the JLU. THAN she would be useful.
It's wrong to disregard what is shown on panel. Example: Captain America only had combat training for only what, a couple of months? But guess what, he's one of the very best fighters in the Marvel universe. Are we supposed to discredit all that he's done simply because he doesn't have the kind of EXPERIENCE that Wolverine does? No, we should not look past what goes on in the comics. After all, that's the only basis of comparison we use here.
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If we only used that Flash would be losing to Wolverine on the Rumbles Forum and Superman wouldn't be able to fight Hulk cause he doesn't use superspeed that often.
We use high showings of all characters. And the high showings of the rest of the JLA in comparision to Batman just outclasses him.
The best he can bring is strategy. And money and resources. He's certainly useful as a financial/capital resource.
But back to the topic, I still stand as Batman not being the most useful taking on account the threats they normally face. Like Imperiux. Batman didn't help with that. He couldn't. Or Superboy Prime. Or Mageddon. Or Abyss. These are normally the foes the JLA band together to face. Batman's detective work and strategy can only take him so far. How's he gonna know the weakness of a Qward is positive gamma radiation?
Strategy? Canonically, he's the best. But J'onn, GL and Diana already bring some of that to the table.
Detective? Not that useful for a team that faces cosmic threats. J'onn is already a detective and while he may not be the best, he's good enough.
Wealth? This is what he really brings to the team. Aquaman is wealthier. So is Diana. But they can't use it fully because of politics and because Arthur is an a$$.
If the JLA is gonna fight Galactus on Jupiter, I would rather we bring Aquaman than Batman.
I agree that a street leveler isn't going to bring anything to the table when fighting those guys, but at least you acknowledge he brings strategy and detective work to the table.
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And look at them now... Cyclops is comatose, Shadowcat is miles below the mansion, Colossus is KTFO, and Wolverine and Beast are playing cat and mouse with the mental capacities of a four year old and "a moose" respectively. If a lot of the mainstream titles e.g. New Avengers, was cancelled today it would be no biggie. Hell if every comic book was cancelled it would be relatively no biggie, most people would find something else to do with their time. I don't see how that discredits that Heinberg and Vaughn do good work on their respective comics, their artists give good art, and overall the titles are a solid read. Which is more than I can say for a lot of other books.
He does stupid feats of indestructibility in his own series, but in Astonishing it's toned down for realism. Shadowcat brings a defensive, and potentially very deadly offensive ability to the team filling a niche that none of the other four can. Also as the stated purpose of the AXM team initially was PR she's there for a specific purpose in that Cyclops and Beast aren't exactly the most ordinary looking, Emma's a former villain and Wolverine's a thug and both are known killers. If one were to deem two characters the central protagonists in the comic that would be Emma and Kitty.
Also, Draco, what kind of logic is that? Let's just igonore EVERYTHING that's shown in comics that we don't like. No, fact of the matter is that Batman is the strategizer of the team, whether you like it or not. The JLA has expressed their dependency on him before, and it is crap logic to ignore what happens in EVERY issue. It just plain doesn't make sense. Batman is the strategizer of the team, case closed.
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Aug 20th, 2006 02:42 AM
J'onn and Batman usually interchange with their strategizing skills in the JLA. They have expressed their dependency on him before. He's there to be the overall strategizer for the team. But, if you want to get nasty, what's the reason for WW to be on the team? Female canon fodder.
For the record, he isn't even a top five favorite of mine. 
And look at them now... Cyclops is comatose, Shadowcat is miles below the mansion, Colossus is KTFO, and Wolverine and Beast are playing cat and mouse with the mental capacities of a four year old and "a moose" respectively.
If a lot of the mainstream titles e.g. New Avengers, was cancelled today it would be no biggie. Hell if every comic book was cancelled it would be relatively no biggie, most people would find something else to do with their time. I don't see how that discredits that Heinberg and Vaughn do good work on their respective comics, their artists give good art, and overall the titles are a solid read. Which is more than I can say for a lot of other books.
No, fact of the matter is that Batman is the strategizer of the team, whether you like it or not. The JLA has expressed their dependency on him before, and it is crap logic to ignore what happens in EVERY issue. It just plain doesn't make sense. Batman is the strategizer of the team, case closed.
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