Mr Master again fails to recognise the difference between that which happens as per the natural scheme of things and that which happens on panel due to artificial intervention.
As stated on panel numerous times and as depicted on panel the universe is forged from the energies of the Phoenix Force:
"the energies of creation itself. Call it the Big Bang or the Phoenix Force"
Before the Big Bang there was nothing but a void. The Big Bang filled that void with all of its energy and matter that settled into stars and planets etc.
Watcher what is there without the Phoenix Force in reality?
"Ultimate extinction" "a void wherein exists not the smallest potential for life"
If the Marvel reality is left to come to its own natural conclusion, then the end is brought about by the Phoenix Force.
This fiery end is itself the step towards a new beginning wherein the Phoenix Force is itself reborn as per its namesake in the Big Bang event.
Tales of Sise Neg and the Alien Entity artificially triggering the cycle anew does not diminish or re-define the Phoenixes role. They are just interference. Under the natural scheme of things it is the role of the Phoenix to do this as stated by numerous reputable sources. The Abstracts for example.
We are not going to see the Marvel universe come to its natural conclusion because we would have no comics to read
The only time we see an end to the universe (and a temporary end at that) is through interference with the natural order and such incidents are always reversed.
So what is your point Mr Master?
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... What kind of horse-stinky is this?
"artificial intervention?" ...
That's the Natural scheme of things down below funny man.
That's Entropy, (the embodiment of the END of the Universe)
who just created the Universe anew from a Void blank state. (after he and Genis erased it)
He did this with energies from withIN his body, so he was the embodiment of the Big Bang energies.
There are several origins of universe in marvel. Just because one isn't mentioned, it doesn't gets invalidated. Most recently Celestials were shown to be responsible for the creation of multiverse. That doesn't mean everything else is non-canon.
I never said anything about PF creating the multiverse, did I? Its been called the energy of creation several times, so I don't think that's debatable.
Entropy is the gradual journey of the universe towards heat death as all thermal energy over billions and billions of years become homogeneous. The character Entropy is the embodiment of this concept.
Entropy plotted to kill his father by driving Genis mad thereby bringing an accelerated and very unnatural end to the universe. An end outside of that which he is destined to bring.
It is for this very reason that his machinations were reversed as part of the plot.
The Marvel universe CANNOT come to its natural conclusion because then we would have no comics to read. So it is never going to happen.
Is that really a concept to complex for you to grasp Mr M?
All we can have as i previously stated are stories like this where a character comes in and intervenes with the natural order before it is reversed because it is not meant to happen.
However as stated by a multitude of reputable sources, it is the Phoenix Force that is tasked with bringing about this end under the natural scheme of things.
What beings like Entropy and Oblivion demonstrate however are that the natural conclusion of reality is not set in stone and how it ends when it is its time to end is down to a number of variables that we are not privy to. A certain event or action down the timeline could mean that the PF claims reality as is its given role, or likewise could see Oblivion or Entropy do the same. There are a number of beings who are tasked with bringing about the end and that fact does not diminish the cosmic significance of any of these beings, however out of all of them, it is only the PF that is also the living energies of creation that gave said concepts relevance in the first place by triggering and being all that is.
The scans ive posted state and depict that the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang and forged reality within its fire before exploding into all that is during this event:
The on panel evidence is there in multitude. You cannot deny its nature. It is the Big Bang, the physical energy and matter of all that is. The difference is it also manifests within itself to perpetuate this creation cycle, however as shown by characters like Entropy and Oblivion and even Death, this additional role of ending the universe does not just lie with the Phoenix. However that does not take away its cosmic significance
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... yea, "clear" bull perhaps.
Let me know when you have that scan that shows the PF creating the Multiverse? No?
You probably have the one where she creates the Universe? No?
What about the the one where she creates a Galaxy? No?
Well, I should take into consideration that the PF is the energies of the Big Bang via poppycock,
and I should dismiss actual On Panel showings of the Big Bang as something, other?
Actually .. you're hilarious.
Because yea, Entropy didn't just release Big Bang energies On Panel.
So what are you going to do now, spam the thread with the same scans showing Sise Neg and various other beings restarting creation?
Go ahead.
Makes no difference.
Is Sise Negs significance nullified by the fact that other beings did it?
In the natural scheme of things it is the PFs role. Those artificial interventions mean nothing and do not demean what reputable sources say the PF does and will do if reality is left to its own devices
So you want to ignore the on panel statement and artistic depiction in this weeks Wolverine and the X-men where reality is said to have been forged by the Phoenixes power and then you have the Phoenix exploding as the Big Bang before settling down as all that is?
A point which again verifies it is the energies of all that is?
How can you attempt to present yourself as credible and objective when you overlook and deny explicit evidence like this because it does not coincide with your fantasy of a hierarchy
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Apr 18th, 2014 03:02 AM
... What kind of horse-stinky is this?
... So ... Sentry really has the power of a million exploding suns 
... yea, "clear" bull 
perhaps.
