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Yes, probably. But again, there's a big difference between sharp force and blunt force. Spidey's bone structure and muscles are denser and his skin harder, but it requires less force to penetrate someones skin that to break someone's bones. But a regular street thug should not be able to pierce his skin that easily. It's certainly possible, with a bit of luck. But he needs to put more effort into it than just swiping at him. He probably needs to put the knife blade on his skin and then drop his body weight on it But that might prove to be a problem, since, you know, Spidey isn't going to let him.
That's my estimation, although we can never be sure.
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I prefer the sarcastic remarks
But seriously, I don't really care who made the original post. In fact, most of the time I find out AFTER I wrote my reply. However, your threads are instantly recognizable
Well maybe if you gave a street thug an Uzi and allowed him to get up close to classic powerman and take all day about where he was going to place his shots maybe he could pierce classic Powerman's skin as well.
Yeah, yeah yeah whatever. Anyway basically you said this....
Bottom line it stands to reason that Spiderman should be resistant to blades hey and even baseball bats the same way classic Powerman is resistant to guns. We always see him dodging these attacks this implies that they can kill him or injure him severely, this could explain why sometimes eventhough Wolverine can dodge gunfire sometimes he chooses not to. Spiderman always chooses to dodge.
Conclusion. Superheroes powers dont always make sense, the defining aspect that tells us what they are capable of doing is what they are prescrbed to do. Dinalfos can now stop dissing my Cap threads.
Well to be fair not all the time. I did a Punisher vs Imperial Guard thread. I also did You Vs MU, I got no love and I thought it was a blinding thread.
Actually its quite funny because its like you appear out of nowhere always on schedule and ruin my program. Everythings going fine...then suddenly Dinalfos turns up and ruins everything....sometimes.
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Eh....
Well, classic Powerman was enhanced through scientific modification. They aimed very specifically for his physical durability, since his skin was made to be as hard as titanium, yet his strength was not quite up there. That means the natural balance must have been thrown off. Remember, you need durability to cope with an increased energy efficiency, but not necessarily the other way around. I suppose a lack of proportional strength could make it nearly impossible to even move your body, but apparently this was not the case here. It doesn't have to be, it kind of depends on the type of modification. But if it isn't done right, it could go very wrong.
Powerman differs from Spiderman in the sense that Spidey basically became a human spider. The radioactive spider that bit him altered his DNA proportionally and consequently. There was no tampering with specific elements. Anyway, vast superhuman physical powers are VERY hard to imagine without bringing the supernatural (magic/mysticism) into it. Because of this, Spidey's science based origins are a bit questionable. I wish they would just retcon it into something mystical or at least supernatural. It would be a cop out, but at least you can't debunk mysticism with scientific reasoning.
Now that I think of it, The Other made a decent attempt at adding a supernatural aura to Spidey's power up. It's better than nothing, I guess. Anyway, it's not really the origin of characters that I object to, but rather the lack of consistency in whatever they establish. The rules of physics can not be altered by themselves. That's why Captain's more outrageous feats don't make sense. And neither do Spiderman's. If the latter's powers were 100% supernatural, he wouldn't necessarily need an increase in mass. But when he strains himself to lift a Volkswagen on one moment, and manages to lift a train without much effort on another, then that would only make sense if this discrepancy is caused by an increase in size and mass or simply the supernatural.
But since these are comic books and most writers can't be bothered to think that far trough, I guess we just have to accept that only internal logic can be uphold in comic books. If you're human, then you're human and you do the stuff humans can do. Unless the connotations for the word "human" are different. Which they are to some extent, but not in terms of general physics. Well, at least this is what matters on a forum. I don't care what happens in comic books, as long as its fun to read and not OVERLY ridiculous. But still, a forum is different. If you're going to rely on logic and reason on a forum (no out-of-character jobbing, no PIS etc.) then the rules of physics can't be ignored.
I hope I'm making sense here, I'm tired as hell
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Well, maybe I'm not what you think I am. Maybe I'm an Internet bot, programmed specifically to rain on your CA parade....
Well um I understand what you're saying but Spiderman's powers are not supernatural and his origin defintely is not. In fact even if it was supernatural most supernatural heroes still have proportional strength and durability. WW is the exception to the rule it still does not make sense why she is not immune to bullets and knives. IF you were gonna give her powers a person would have given her increased durability.
Main point, Spiderman should be immune to knives and swords in the comics therefore his not immune on this forum. If you gave a character like Cobra a sword he stands a good chance of killing him with it. Or if we gave Razorfist an upgrade he could possibly kill Spiderman on this forum too.
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Yeah, I agree, but when the supernatural comes into play, it doesn't necessarily HAVE to be proportional. Even though it usually is. Literally all bets are off when it comes to magic. It would be an easy way of explaining things. Btw, it only takes a relatively small retcon to push Spidey into the supernatural area. What if the spider wasn't radioactive, but rather mystical? There's tons of possibilities.
I don't know nearly enough about Wonder Woman. I can't really say anything about her. But I do know that her powers are magical in nature, so it's not like the writers find themselves backed into a corner.
Again, how do you know Spidey should be immune to knives? We have no scientific expertise of superhuman durability. Because there ain't no such thing. But if we were to go by the laws of proportion and relativity, then we could theoretically deduce that Spiderman is at least more knife proof than us normal folks. Whether this means he's actually knife proof to the extent you seem to imply, is very hard to say. But hey, I never said everything about Spiderman made sense.
Yeah ok but there needs to be a reason for things not to be proportional. At the end of the day magic is used to achieve an objective, why the hell would you give somebody massive superhuman strength but make them vulnerable to bulllets and kinves. It sounds like a curse.
Well they haven't had one......so there. As I said to you before it doesnt make any sense but that doesnt change anything on this forum, Spiderman will have his vulnerability regardless because that is what he is prescribed to do.
Neither do I all I know is that she got her powers from the Olympian Gods. I dont know if all the other gods are vulenrable to bullets, if they are not it still does not make any sense. Nobody would be stupid enough to give WW that vulnerability when you have all these other characters on her level who are not.
Well to tell the truth it is kinda hard to say how durable Spiderman should be. Lets put it this way, at 15 ton strength that makes him 30 times stronger than a street thug or a ninja who maybe be able to lift 1000lbs at most. Well if the Shaolin monks can train themselves to have resistance to swords and spears and they cant lift 15 tons that means Spiderman should be able to basically walk into people who have knives and swords and let them hit him.
Well dont complain when Cap doesnt make any sense either.
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Of course, there needs to be a reason, for the sake of artistry. But even if they don't explain the how and the why, there is no actual plot hole that cripples the story, just something that is (until then) left to the imagination of the reader. At least that's something.
I know that, it was besides the point. But anyway, Spiderman's (in)vulnerability is generally quite carefully weighted across these boards. Yes, there are questions, but that's part of the fun, isn't it?
Well, I never liked Wonder Woman anyway. And I knew there was a reason
But I'd like to point out that WW's weakness isn't that illogical. It's remarkable, for sure, but not necessarily illogical. There is no inherent inconsistency, it's just that they never bothered to show or tell you. But, like I said above, at the very least it's nothing more than an untold story, rather than a physics related plot hole. Those are by far the worst type of bad writing.
Shaolin Monks are a deceiving bunch of brats
But seriously, I'm HIGHLY sceptical when it comes to that kind of stuff. They aren't anymore sword resistant than your average human, it's just that they may or may not have found a way to trick the human body and mind. I don't know how that works, but I believe those aren't actually considered feats of durability. I mean, there are certain people who can pull trucks and planes for a couple of hundred yards. Those are normal looking people, no body builders or other strong guys. Are those guys really that strong? Nah, probably not.
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Nov 30th, 2006 05:11 PM
But that might prove to be a problem, since, you know, Spidey isn't going to let him.
