'Ordinary' can mean anything, but I think it means 'non-super powered' in this context. Average does not necessarily mean 'ordinary', as super powered beings are still essentially 'human'. The Flash is a human, for instance.
Reread and rethink Cresh. No matter how hard an ordinary human trains, even at peak human levels of agility they will never have the flexibility and range of motion that the mutant anatomy of Nightcrawler affords him. Thus he is beyond peak human. Thus he is superhuman. No?
Beast underwent a secondary mutation. He's now much stronger too.
(for black robb) Gambit should also technically be on the list. His agility is enhanced by his mutant ability.
Ordinary is like average. Otherwise peak humans would be ordinary as well. . . and since not all ordinary humans have peak levels a peak level human is not ordinary.
The stats I have take into account his secondary mutation . . .
Peak humans are 'ordinary' in the face of human beings who can run at lightspeed, such as the Flash, and he is a human in every way, ordinary in every way save for the tiny fact that he can tap into the Speed Force, which is what makes him extraordinary.
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Fool, even if that's true he's more agile because he's more trained. Spidey is only twice as agile as any human (olympic class.) Crawler has always been a tier above Spidey in agility (and here I'm using you're precious stats Mitch so !@#$ off unless you care to admit that absolutley all of your arguements are total B.S.)
Woah. Calm down there, Merc. This is friendly debate. Not even a fight this time. We don't need to get all angry and such.
But I must disagree with you. Spiderman is much more than twice as agile as an olympic class human. He's far above that, giving him the agility to dodge multiple gunshots/lasers/tentacles at the same time, and a lot times even while in the air. His ability to contort his body and be able to dodge almost everything that's not going lightspeeds gives him the better agility.
Allrighty... calm down, Merc. You're a respected member but your hatred of Cman is pathetic. Stop being a hating fool.
And he's right anyway. You don't have to be well trained to be good. Spidey is more agile naturaly. Nightcrawler is just less agile. Simple. He has a lot of training under his belt, but he is naturaly not as good.
Why is everything Cman posts the scrounge of your universe? You disagree, maybe (but everytime is pure BS, though) but being a baby over it is... babyish. So why don't you just stop being a trolling ass.
training doesnt have anything to do with it. hello dos everyone forgt that kurt is a mutant and he was born with his agility? what he ddi in the circus wasnt as a result of training but rahter what came to him naturally, he's got at least a decade on spidey to hone is ability
If you're using that logic, Spidey has been around since like...crap....1964? And Nightcrawler came in the late 70's I believe, or early 80's. Can't remember.
So, using that logic, Spidey has MUCH more experience.
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