Gladiator vs. Supreme
Kallark finds himself fighting another Supes clone, and a very powerful one at that. So, does Glads lose all confidence when Supreme isn't beat after one hit? No. Does he lose confidence after Supreme beats on him for a fair while? No. Yet people still seem to say that once someone doesn't fall after one hit from Glads, he'll just lose all confidence. That doesn't happen.
At first, Supreme has a clear advantage. Mainly because Supreme is bloodlusted, and Gladiator's too busy trying to save people to concentrate on the fight. Once the fight really gets started, it's more equal. When Supreme reveals that he willing to destroy the planet to win, Kallark takes the fight into space. In space Glads clearly has the advantage.
When Kallark realises that the fight will probably destroy worlds and go on for far too long, he decides to end the conflict using his smarts. Supreme is fooled, and Shi'ar casualties are avoided.
(also note on page 4, Gladiator is said to be adapting to Supreme's psionic probe)
[QUOTE=5717867]Originally posted by Lucid Lui Gladiator vs. Supreme
Kallark finds himself fighting another Supes clone, and a very powerful one at that. So, does Glads lose all confidence when Supreme isn't beat after one hit? No. Does he lose confidence after Supreme beats on him for a fair while? No. Yet people still seem to say that once someone doesn't fall after one hit from Glads, he'll just lose all confidence. That doesn't happen.
[QUOTE] How many Superman clones does Marvel have?
And Gladiator has been beaten before by loosing confidence. Maybe not all the time but he has.
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Supreme's not actually a Marvel character. It was a company crossover thingy. But as far as i know they have three. Gladiator, Hyperion and Sentry. They do have like, 3 different version of Hyperion running around though...
Ok, let me re-phrase. Gladiator's never been beaten due to losing confidence, by an opponent that's as strong, or stronger. People always say something like "Once Glads sees that his first hit doesn't put Superman down, he'll lose confidence and get his ass kicked.". People say that, even though the guys gone up against Tyrant, thrown everything he has at him and still not lost confidence. It's just being ignorant.
As for the times he has been beaten becasue of his confidence, there's only once it's happened that i can think of. Against the Fantastic Four. Against Cannonball, he wasn't beaten in the least. Against Gambit, he was being mindcontrolled. Against Hulk, it was like Superman fighting next to a mountain of Kryptonite, with a whole lot of PIS involved.
Ah good point. Though she is an extremely powerful psychic, so there's why.
C'mon, not everything they put in handbooks is correct. And he in no way beat Gladiator. He did waver his confidence and get a very good hit, but Glads is back up on the next page. Does he look beaten? No. Glads even referrs to Sam as a child, and refuses to send him off with the X-Men because he sees him as a child. Glads was messing around with him the whole fight. Then when he got serious, Sam took him by surprise, then the fight ended. He was never beaten.
his confidence was, essentially, dropped to nothing. but that was just a combination of him underestimating sam, and sam being lucky enough to have that nifty force field.
seems like gladiator's weaker than the armageddon man, though, considering AM brushed sam aside and bruised a few ribs, but a full-hit from glads didn't do much of anything. hooray for the terrans.
Not true. The only reason Glads full powered blow didn't work was because Sam tranferred all the kinetic energy from the punch into the force field so it never really hit him. A trick he's only done once, and that was it.
Gladiator vs. Cannonball
So here it is, the famous fight where Cannonball beat Gladiator. But, that's not really what happened is it. I mean, according to people who don't actually pay attention to what they're reading, it might've happened, but to the people who actually read it, they'd know that the fight doesn't end conclusively. So now i'm gonna de-construct it so people know that no one wins.
So let's start off. The first page where Glads appears, i don't have scanned. But all that happens is Glads teleports in and knocks Sam and a girl he was rescuing into a wall.
So, scan 1- Gladiator doesn't want to fight, he's just looking for the X-Men. Scan 2- Cannonball starts the fight without hearing Gladiator out. Scan 3- Cannonball moves the fight outside (but makes a strange detour through another building o.0). Gladiator stops them in mid-blast, which according to Sam isn't possible. Notice the smug grin on Kallark's face, i don't think he's taking this seriously. Scan 4- Sam is pushing as hard as he can against Kallark, but it's not working. Notice Kallark is still smirking and sais, "Surrender now before you hurt yourself". Still not wanting to fight, or taking Sam seriously. So Sam outsmarts him and uses momentum. Scan 5- Kallark whacks Sam and Sam feels it through his force field. Then Kallark completely out speeds Sam. Notice all Kallark does is try to subdue Sam with the metal, obviously still not wanting to fight. Scan 6- Sam breaks out of the metal, and Kallark has finally had it, gets serious and sais he going to punch Sam into the sun. Scan 7- Sam comes up with something he's never done before and never done since (which is a pity). Kallark's blow has no effect, and Kallark is of course very shaken. Scan 8- Sam takes advantage of the moment and sends Kallark flying into construction below. (there's a theory that Sam essentially hit Kallark with his own blow when this happens. Because all the power form Kallark's blow is transferred into Sam's force field, and when Sam hits Kallark it's released back against Kallark. This hasn't been confirmed though so it is just a theory.) Scan 9- The rest of the X-Men arrive and it's explained how Sam managed what he did. And then, Kallark is back up only one page after he is supposedly beaten. Not only is he up, he sends metal girders flying everywhere. Hmm, doesn't really seem like someone who's just been beaten. Scan 10- Kallark tells the X-Men why he's here. Doesn't look beaten to me. Actually looks like the fight's been interrupted therefore there is no victor. Scan 11- Kallark teleports the X-Men away, but refuses to send Sam because he considers Sam to be a child. SO still, doesn't take him that seriously. Also doesn't look at all beaten on this page.
(sorry about the quality of the last 2 scans. my scanner's being a *****.)
So, if you listen to logic, you see that Sam did not beat Kallark and the fight was interrupted before there could be a clear victor. You'd also see that Kallark was not serious until that last part where he's taken by surprise.
Personally, this is a favorite issue of mine. Sam is finally written as confident and using his abilities in new ways and it's a pity it didn't stick. The art is great, and Kallark is written well. But as i've said there's no winner to an interrupted fight. Now, you can admit what this post proves or you can ignore it. It's up to you. But i have shown proof that no one won this fight.
And if you think Sam could beat Kallark when he's serious, you're mistaken.
I think even i thought that he'd lost when i first read it. It tends to happen alot in fights like that. They don't really end conclusively, but whoever gets the last, or best hit in is viewed as the winner. But i'd wager Scott Lobdell would say that neither person lost the fight.
damnit. and here i thought at least one earthstuff could contend with glads...
even without his confidence, gladiator's really effin' strong. his confidence merely reinforces his powers, as said in the scans above, so he likely would still be capable of any of his feats even without his confidence. of course, they'd be to a lesser degree, but he isn't able to exhibit new powers just because he's confident he can. super-strength's natural, durability, endurance, flight, living in space...
still, if it had gone on, i think sam would've taken it. if super-glads can't do anything but wind him, i don't see a weakened gladiator beating him. but that's just extrapolation on my part...
Imperial Guard mini
Some scans from the Imperial Guard mini series from awhile back. This mini really wasn't good... in any way. But seeing as Glads isn't the most used character of alll time, got to take what you can get.
Some idiot tries to run down Kallark in a truck.... *shakes head*
This machine is leaking radiation that's pretty much Kallark's equivalent of kryptonite. But if it's not taken care of then Earth is doomed, so Kallark is more than willing to sacrifice himself to save everyone. Luckily, he's fine after.
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