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operator616
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@Epicurus: thumb up

Here's X-Factor Annual #4, page 10, referencing Bizarre Adventures #27:

http://i.imgur.com/bkQgOVy.jpg

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Originally posted by operator616
Bizzare adventures #27, is non canon?

Edit: you're not supposed to answer that, i know it's canon.

It sure seems to be non canon AFAIK. Not that it matters, it was Jean with psychic barriers preventing her from accessing her powers.
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Originally posted by Epicurus
The writer of the comic confirmed that the feat was performed primarily under Zeus' power. That says it all.

Except for actual on-panel evidence, as opposed to you sticking to hyperbole and a single fight which doesn't even prove anything worth anything.

Only in your wet dreams. In an actual forum fight, Surtur clearly wins.

Based on what? Your say-so? Forgive me if I ain't convinced. Anyways, that bizarre adventures storyline was mentioned in one of 616-Attuma's bios, so it is without a shadow of a doubt, canon.

Pak says a lot of stuff. According to KMC rules, interviews are non-admissible.

Yeah, right. Odin wishes he could beat Galactus like that.

Eh, I'm not a phoenix fan. Take it to somebody who cares.

It matters little, it was shackled Phoenix.


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Originally posted by operator616
@Epicurus: thumb up

Here's X-Factor Annual #4, page 10, referencing Bizarre Adventures #27:

http://i.imgur.com/bkQgOVy.jpg

Ok, its canon. But what is the purpose of posting a scene of shackled Jean here?


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Originally posted by abhilegend
It sure seems to be non canon AFAIK. Not that it matters, it was Jean with psychic barriers preventing her from accessing her powers.

Pak says a lot of stuff. According to KMC rules, interviews are non-admissible.

Yeah, right. Odin wishes he could beat Galactus like that.

Eh, I'm not a phoenix fan. Take it to somebody who cares.

It matters little, it was shackled Phoenix.

It's canon. I already told you that it was referenced in a bio of 616-Attuma, and operator himself posted a scan from an X-Men Annual where it was referenced again. Lol, what psychic barriers? The ones which Attuma's guards put in place? Because Jean telepathically located them and shut them down before the fight with Attuma.

Pak was extrapolating upon that scene. Interviews on random boards. CBR is far from a random board, and a number of posters(including you yourself iirc) have used the opinions of writers from that site to validate their claims.

Considering the manner in which Old Thor, who has a severely depleted reserve of the Odinforce, is currently taking the fight to a similarly weakened version of Galactus, that's a stretch.

Of course you aren't, considering the the hypocritical manner in which you dismissed and mocked opinions of GS in the Time Trapper thread and are now touting along his **** in this one. Awful. Just awful.

Phoenix wasn't constrained in any way, shape or form in that comic. Her struggling to overwhelm Attuma was a simple, clear-as-day feat. No special context or circumstances in that scene whatsoever.


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Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, its canon. But what is the purpose of posting a scene of shackled Jean here?

What proof do you have that she was shackled? Or is yet another one of your made-up claims?


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Originally posted by Epicurus
It's canon. I already told you that it was referenced in a bio of 616-Attuma, and operator himself posted a scan from an X-Men Annual where it was referenced again. Lol, what psychic barriers? The ones which Attuma's guards put in place? Because Jean telepathically located them and shut them down before the fight with Attuma.
You seriously don't know about the psychic barriers Xavier put on Jean? Haha, oh god.

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Pak was extrapolating upon that scene. Interviews on random boards. CBR is far from a random board, and a number of posters(including you yourself iirc) have used the opinions of writers from that site to validate their claims.
Interviews are non-admissible. Period.

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Considering the manner in which Old Thor, who has a severely depleted reserve of the Odinforce, is currently taking the fight to a similarly weakened version of Galactus, that's a stretch.
Alternate Galactus.

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Of course you aren't, considering the the hypocritical manner in which you dismissed and mocked opinions of GS in the Time Trapper thread and are now touting along his **** in this one. Awful. Just awful.
Cry more. I was arguing AGAINST GS and I didn't mock his opinions.

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Phoenix wasn't constrained in any way, shape or form in that comic. Her struggling to overwhelm Attuma was a simple, clear-as-day feat. No special context or circumstances in that scene whatsoever.
Read the comic first. I know that's taboo for you, but try for once.


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Originally posted by Epicurus
What proof do you have that she was shackled? Or is yet another one of your made-up claims?

laughing

Do you know like anything about Dark Phoenix saga?


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You seriously don't know about the psychic barriers Xavier put on Jean? Haha, oh god.

Interviews are non-admissible. Period.

Alternate Galactus.

Cry more. I was arguing AGAINST GS and I didn't mock his opinions.

Read the comic first. I know that's taboo for you, but try for once.

You seriously know nothing about the 1980s era Phoenix? Or the fact that in the very same storyline it was shown how Jean had just recently resurrected from year long death?

From random boards. Apparently the difference between cbr and a random message board is too hard for you to grasp.

Yes you did. GS' prime position in that thread was guess what? The very same Big bang stuff that he's been mentioning in this thread. In the other thread you dismissed it as if it was a piece of drivel, and in here you defend him as if he's the damsel of your dreams.laughing out loud

I already have, which is why I know that there was no constraint on her when she struggled to overpower Attuma. Point proven.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing

Do you know like anything about Dark Phoenix saga?

Somebody give this buffoon a torrent link to the Bizarre Adventures issue. He apparently thinks that it occurred within a previous storyline. Nevermind the fact that said psychic barriers were broken down by the Phoenix after its full power erupted in the final battle of the DP saga.


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Originally posted by Sundipped

the Force with an avatar able to completely no sell Galactus' attacks with ease

What are you referring to Sunnyd?

It can't be the Rachel encounter cause as you know:

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"I have need of sustenance" ... "I am weak, consumed by hunger"


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Originally posted by Epicurus
You seriously know nothing about the 1980s era Phoenix? Or the fact that in the very same storyline it was shown how Jean had just recently resurrected from year long death?



It was a flashback story. It was after some months later when Jean became phoenix as she explained it.

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From random boards. Apparently the difference between cbr and a random message board is too hard for you to grasp.
Its too hard for you to understand that there is no exception to CBR in rules.

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Yes you did. GS' prime position in that thread was guess what? The very same Big bang stuff that he's been mentioning in this thread. In the other thread you dismissed it as if it was a piece of drivel, and in here you defend him as if he's the damsel of your dreams.laughing out loud
TBF, I am not using the creation energies for anything, I'm using combat feats. At that time AvX had retconned it but now its been retconned again just a few days ago.

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I already have, which is why I know that there was no constraint on her when she struggled to overpower Attuma. Point proven.
laughing out loud

Read it again.

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Somebody give this buffoon a torrent link to the Bizarre Adventures issue. He apparently thinks that it occurred within a previous storyline. Nevermind the fact that said psychic barriers were broken down by the Phoenix after its full power erupted in the final battle of the DP saga.
It happened two years ago from DP saga.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issue...sp?fldAuto=1645

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Flashback to two years earlier


Apparently you can't read properly.


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Originally posted by Mr Master
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What are you referring to Sunnyd?

It can't be the Rachel encounter cause as you know:

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"I have need of sustenance" ... "I am weak, consumed by hunger"


No sold with one hand:

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Yeah I know he was weak but it was still a prolonged fight and he couldn't do absolutely ANYTHING. Now if he had managed to affect her in the slighest, then people would be all over this dragging Phoenix's name through the mud about how weak she was.


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Originally posted by Mr Master
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What are you referring to Sunnyd?

It can't be the Rachel encounter cause as you know:

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"I have need of sustenance" ... "I am weak, consumed by hunger"

Mr. M, I think what Team Phoenix is trying to say is :
Yes, we're aware Galactus was hungry when she confronted him. Hungry, not starving, that happened later as the fight progressed.

Have we seen a hungry, not starving, Galactus in action before? Yes.

Vs who?

Teneberous and Aegis. They caught him as he was about to feast. Teneberous couldn't put him down and it took Aegis jumping in with a sucker punch to KO hungry Galactus.

In your opinion, who would win? Teneberous and Aegis vs Surtur?


Mephisto is considered a high skyfather in his realm by many on this board. In that story where he faced off vs a hungry Galactus, he even one shot the Surfer while outside his realm. Inside his realm he couldn't put down a hungry Galactus or stop him from devouring his realm.

In your opinion who would win? Surtur vs Mephisto in his realm (as he was written in that story)?

Phoenix did better vs a hungry Galactus than the people I mentioned and they are considered Skyfathers (at least).


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Not sure why you're so impressed by that battle, aside from its stellar artwork..? Galactus was hungry(a fact he confirmed multiple times), therefore his exact power-level was... Ambiguous, at best. Certainly that scene isn't indicative of how a battle between them would play out if Galactus had just fed. /shrug


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Not sure why you're so impressed by that battle, aside from its stellar artwork..? Galactus was hungry(a fact he confirmed multiple times), therefore his exact power-level was... Ambiguous, at best. Certainly that scene isn't indicative of how a battle between them would play out if Galactus had just fed. /shrug

We're comparing it to other people he fought while hungry. And the PF did better than they did. Understand now? confused


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Yes, he's fought other beings while hungry. However, your opinion suggests that Galactus' level of hunger/power was the same each time--which subsequently suggests that his level of power doesn't vary in accordance with his level of hunger. It absolutely does. Thus comparing the various showings of a hungry Galactus, as though his hunger and power-level were the exact same in each showing, is flawed to the point of trolling.

Next time try to get your facts straight before you unwarrantedly act like a smartass. You'll look far less foolish. thumb up


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Yes, he's fought other beings while hungry. However, your opinion suggests that Galactus' level of hunger/power was the same each time--which subsequently suggests that his level of power doesn't vary in accordance with his level of hunger. It absolutely does. Thus comparing the various showings of a hungry Galactus, as though his power-level was the exact same in each showing, is flawed to the point of trolling.

Next time try to get your facts straight before you unwarrantedly act like a smartass. You'll look far less foolish. thumb up

The time the PF encountered Galactus he was setting up his machines about to consume a world.

The time TandA confront Galactus he's..............setting up his machines about to consume a world.

It's not hard is it? roll eyes (sarcastic)


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No, it's not hard at all to understand that Galactus' level of hunger(and his level of power by proxy) varies. Tremendously. It's much easier to pretend like Galactus has been equally as hungry every single time he's fed, and thus has always possessed the exact same level of power. Lol, it amazes me that you can even claim things like this and expect to be taken seriously. It's almost as though... You know nothing about the characters you 'debate'.

Trolling is fun though, eh? thumb up


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No, it's not hard at all to understand that Galactus' level of hunger(and his level of power by proxy) varies. It's much easier to troll and act like every time Galactus has been hungry, he's had the exact same level of power. Lol, it amazes me that you can even claim something like this and expect to be taken seriously. It's almost as though... You know nothing about that characters you 'debate'.

Trolling is fun though, eh? thumb up

Yes, Galactus operates at different levels depending on his hunger :
Full (when he took on Tyrant), Hungry (when he took on Mephisto, the PF, and TandA), Starving (when the Reed slingshotted Thing to KO him).

You really believe the comic writers have different levels of "hungry"? 20% hungry? 50% hungry? 67% hungry? roll eyes (sarcastic)

TandA, Mephisto, and the PF took him on while he was hungry. In the TandA and PF exampes, he was setting up his machines to consume a planet when they confronted him. I don't get what's so complicated.


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Yes, Galactus operates at different levels depending on his hunger
Glad we agree. thumb up

Thus acting like all of his 'hungry' showings should be treated equally is idiotically foolish, and makes no canonical sense. smile


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