I'm not surprised you made such a stupid claim, considering you missed the point of my steroid analogy, and instead tried to convert it to a topic in an attempt convince others of your "expertise" in body building (you're so manly lol).
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
I'm not sure if he needed 8,000 sith lords or if it was his way of getting rid of competition. Point is, it left the entire planet devoid of the force and caused the greatest force nexus the galaxy would ever see.
I could bring an example of how he exterminated the entire dark council without knowing the technique.
__________________ There's a man goin' 'round takin' names.
An' he decides who to free and who to blame.
Everybody won't be treated all the same.
There'll be a golden ladder reaching down.
When the man comes around.
Doesn't matter if he needed them, because all 8,000 participated. It's still the showings of 8,001 people unless we get any further information going one way or the other.
Also take into account that only one source said they participated willingly while the other said he dominated their minds.
__________________ There's a man goin' 'round takin' names.
An' he decides who to free and who to blame.
Everybody won't be treated all the same.
There'll be a golden ladder reaching down.
When the man comes around.
Ripping large holes in the fabric of space and disintegrating entire star fleets >> leaving a planet devoid of the force and causing a great nexus, which, BTW, doesn't make sense. It's devoid of the force and a nexus of the force at the same time?
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
It is plain and simple, which is why I don't see how you're unable to grasp. Reread my response to you and the following posts from me, as I can't explain it in a simpler way.
Again, Palpatine not needing prep to achieve far superior feats, does not make Vitiate a god at prep unless his prep allowed him to achieve feats superior to Sidious' (it never has). Palpatine's natural gifts with respect to abilities that are usable in prep can be used better in a vs match than a feat we know absolutely nothing about other than it happened, unless you're implying that Palpatine's natural abilities only aid him in prep with more complex situations than it would for one on one battle, which would be a rather silly suggestion. Palpatine's success speaks for itself when it comes to prep. Prepping for a one on one battle would certainly be much, much easier.
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
Well I guess "just about everything" doesn't include prep, huh?
I can use it because Talzin is a being who can be affected by the Force and theres no reason to think she has immunity to attacks. And no, none of those things are relevant to a vs match. Maybe he can brag about how great he is at non-combative abilities while Vitiate is rodgering him bloody with a lightning bolt. Palpatine is not the god of prep. He has never actually utilised prep against an opponent in a notable fashion. And I admitted no such thing, I stated that I didn't care whether he was superior without it or not.
I think you meant "offended by". And "suggests". "How much superior" also sounds pretty clunky to me. You can really tell how annoyed you are at the prospect of Sidious being inferior in something to Vitiate by all these mistakes.
Sidious taking over the galaxy through careful subterfuge and manipulation doesn't reflect anything about his ability to fight using prep.
I didn't call him the god of prep. And if you look back, when you thought Sidious was being termed as such you were talking about his CW persona that fought Talzin. So that's what we're talking about here.
Oh and also go **** yourself.
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__________________ There's a man goin' 'round takin' names.
An' he decides who to free and who to blame.
Everybody won't be treated all the same.
There'll be a golden ladder reaching down.
When the man comes around.
Unless Palpatine's prepped feats are above Vitiate's, Vitiate has the higher prepped feat, and thus reigns supreme in that category. I don't give a shit what you think he can do. I don't care about what he has done in other areas. I don't care that he is more powerful. I don't care about his accolades. I don't care about how many people he's killed straight up, and I don't care about great his combat record is. He doesn't have better prepped feats, so does not have the best showing in a prepped v prepped match up.
The Dark Empire Sourcebook and The Jedi Path both confirm that the reborn Emperor's Force storms could cause planetary destruction and, as FreshestSlice noted, the Emperor can summon them without aid or preparation.
The problem is that, as you've conceded, unprepped!Palpatine has better feats than prepped!Vitiate. With that in mind and given that Sidious is a peer of Vitiate at the very least with respect to power and knowledge, why would we assume Sidious is incapable of matching or exceeding Vitiate?
Relying on feats and feats alone to draw conclusions is a slippery slope, particularly in defense of Vitiate.
Yes that would be a problem, if I weren't saying that Vitiate has the best prep feats in the mythos, which is what I was saying. "Nah, Sidious is better so he can prep better," really doesn't matter to the claim I made.
You conceded that unprepped!Sidious has better feats than prepped!Vitiate, yes? Given that Sidious is, at the very least, a peer of Vitiate's on every level (intelligence, Force knowledge, Force resources, etc.), it's not at all unreasonable to conclude that Sidious might very well rival or surpass Vitiate in that realm as well, since we've already established that Sidious's best unprepped feat tops Vitiate's best prepped.
What "unprepped" feat does sidious have that's better than anything Vitiate has prepped? The force storm was prepped.
__________________ There's a man goin' 'round takin' names.
An' he decides who to free and who to blame.
Everybody won't be treated all the same.
There'll be a golden ladder reaching down.
When the man comes around.
I am not your son, and you are an awful father if you think that because Vitiate's best prepped feat is below Sidious' best unprepped feat, that Sidious somehow has a better prepped feat. I think Vitiate has the best prepped feat in the mythos. It's not the best feat. It's the best prepped feat. I don't care about what Sidious is capable of.
That's not prep. He didn't prepare for that before the battle.
When you said "I don't give a shit if Sidious is better without it," I thought that was in response to my suggestion that destroying fleets of ships without prep >>>>>>>>>> destroying the dark council with prep.
Lol @ Vitiate frying Palpatine with lightning. If you want to get silly, I could make a far better case for Sidious speed blitzing Vitiate considering he has speed feats for me to easily make that case, which is something I guarantee you wouldn't be able to refute. The fact that I don't use that as an argument despite him having the feats, should tell you that I'm not getting annoyed. Regardless, Palpatine has better lightning feats than Vitiate and if they both had prep, all he'd have to do is destroy Vitiate and his entire dark temple with a single attack. Hell, Palpatine could do that without prep as long as he's at a safe distance.
No, Palpatine utilized prep in a far more complex situation. Prepping himself to take out a single opponent would be much simpler. As I said, his success speaks for itself with regards to prep. If you want to make a vs thread and give both Palpatine and Vitiate prep, I guarantee you Palpatine would come out on top on account of having better feats along with being equipped with force powers that play a major role in prep.
As for Talzin, considering that she has prep and is on her planet with the ability to instantly teleport, you'd need to prove that Vitiate's attack would do the same to a prepped Talzin. Also, she has better reflexes and battle speed on account of matching Windu in that area, so what's to stop her from disintegrating Vitiate with her green mist first. She also has the ability to produce fire at a certain target with the wave of her hand, so what's to stop her from burning Vitiate from the inside out? Of course you're going to argue that since we didn't see her utilize these abilities in mid-combat that she is unable to despite the ease in which she's shown to perform them. However, you want me to accept that Vitiate would defeat her with some power that you know nothing about. Double standards is your style of debating after all.
Double standards are for those who are desperate to win an argument, which usually turns out to be the ones who are getting annoyed. I make mistakes all the time. As long as my point is made clear, I don't care about them. Even if I didn't make any mistakes, it's hard for the delusional fangirls to get the point.
Prep is prep, wtf (lmao). It reflects his ability to plan ahead (which is what you do when you are, you know, given prep), and was largely accomplished by using his force powers, such as his unmatched far sight, clouding the minds of every jedi in the order, using rituals to manipulate thousands of force users across the galaxy all at once, and maintaining his hold over the force. These are all areas of force powers that can be used by Sidious in a vs thread, along with his superior displays of force powers in general. But, by all means, keep harping on Vitiate prepping himself to amp his force powers to take on 12 force users. All you're proving is that Vitiate requires prep to do things Palpatine can do without prep, except to a far lesser extent.
I was being sarcastic with that first post. I knew he was talking about Vitiate, so, no, I didn't think his CW persona was being termed as such. I was referring to Sidious as being the god of prep due to the fact that he is the best at it in SW.
I brought up his force storm as a way to suggest that Palpatine not requiring prep to perform feats far greater than a Vitiate with prep, doesn't mean Vitiate is his superior in prep, considering he's never did anything superior to Palpatine even with it. The fact that Palpatine is better even without prep, would logically determine Sidious would overcome Vitiate if they both are given prep, considering the things Palpatine's achieved with the help of his force powers, which would in turn indicate Palpatine is superior in the area of prep.
Palpatine's usage of prep is far superior to Vitiate's, and is therefore more usable in a vs match if we were to compare them. I also couldn't give a shit about Vitiate requiring prep to do something Sidious would be able to do without prep. That's like saying Talzin is better at prep because she nearly killed Dooku from a distance of light years with prep, which is something Sidious could do just by closing his fist without prep. Palpatine's use of prep and success in far more complex situations, trumps beating 12 force users with prep.
As I said, Palpatine's more destructive feats in conjunction with his prep-related fore abilities can be put to use in a vs match better than some unknown feat of Vitiate's that required prep. How is this even being argued?
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
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I didn't say that Sidious has the best prepped feat. What I'm saying is that if Sidious without prep trumps Vitiate with prep and Sidious at the very least rivals Vitiate in all the things that factor into prep (knowledge, intelligence, resources, etc.), then it is reasonable to conclude that Sidious may very well be Vitiate's better in that aspect as well.
Kinda like how Vitiate has no speed feats to speak of, right? So if we followed the "lolz feats only" paradigm, a convincing case could be made that Sidious would give Viti the Agen Kolar treatment. But that's silly, right? So we infer, based on Viti's considerable strength in the Force and mastery of it, that he's powerful enough to be effectively non-blitzable and would, if necessary, be capable of impressive speed feats.
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Who has the best prepped feat? Vitiate. He's soloed several high level Force-users at once. Sacrificed planets. And dominated thousands of people at once over an extended period of time.
If you don't care that this is an amazing prepped feat and beyond anything Sidious has done with prep, which is the point of the observation, feel free to no longer reply.
Aug 21st, 2014 10:09 PM
