In fact, in that very thread (sadly now closed, hindering my ability to quote) a mod had to step in and remind everyone that we used current versions of the characters.
And yes, it was in reference to you, blue, and your used of Rulk. AGAIN.
Here, in this thread, we ARE talking about Loebforce Rulk.
Versus Death of Superman-era Doomsday AS he appeared in DOS.
Now, I don't recall you actually giving your opinion BASED on DOS DD and Loebforce Rulk. Only debating whether Booster Gold had full force shields with JBL on page 1. I agree with the side that says DD wasn't all that impressive. I don't have DOS in front of me at the moment; maybe there's some scene I'm forgetting, but, I look at the following and think, "Doomsday seemed fast largely to people who were reacting from surprise or who had largely exhausted themselves. Even so, even being compromised, they survived what DD dished out. Even Booster Gold, who seems to have been operating at a fraction of his normal power ..."
It seems TurboImageHost really DOES develop problems the closer it gets to Wednesday. Would have sworn my first scan, showing Booster Gold explaining his power was nearly drained and likening himself to Pee Wee Herman, displayed a moment ago.
Well, let's see if that first scan, which should have preceded everything shown a post ago, will load now, along with an enlargement of the most relevant panels:
Congratulations on hijacking that thread, despite admitting you knew the OP meant someone entirely different, to safely insult Carver and myself, Dark.
That was reasonably skillful work.
In the meantime, though, I DO want to see if anyone can make a strong case for DD on his Death of Superman feats. The further this thread progresses, the less I believe he does, for the only counters have come from speed, which I specified would be equalized here, and retcons that came after DOS.
Gonna post a link to Rulk's respect thread on this forum, one, for convenience, two, to allow people the chance to predict where I might go argument-wise and the showings they'll need to counter:
Rick as A-Bomb survived this 9-on-the-Richter-Scale punch.
Judging from the level of punching a nearly exhausted Superman put Doomsday down with, I say Rulk scores a win against DD by knockout if not outright takeout.
Is there anything in DOS to argue convincingly against this?
Not sure how educating you is meant to be insulting? Nor was I admitting anything, I merely pointed out that current Rulk (which is what forum rules dictate we use, AND was what Carver had been referring to) was Maverick.
YOU'RE the one who jumped in with both feet, claiming that I hadn't told anyone until page 4. Another piece of errata on your part.
And retcons, incidentally, still count. That is the whole point of them.
Which slightly goes against forum rulings about using canon sources.
Yet, a by-the-by tangent. Am curious, however, how you were willing to entertain notions from Hunter/Prey Doomsday (a different storyline altogether)?
After all, from the DoS storyline, Doomsday had no energy to siphon off. There was never any proof that he relied on solar energy. That was added later. In the H/P story.
NOT, in the DoS story. Happy to be corrected, though.
Why does it matter? In THIS thread, Rulk would have nothing to amp off. He would get madder, but he does NOT get stronger. Instead, he gets hotter, burning himself out.
Presumably you refer to my originally posting the above visuals?
I don't mind exploring good ideas OR providing corroborating evidence for others.
Pretty sure I've done the first with you, and the latter is one of the few values I share with Salsa and Delta, who before now have often provided scans on request for me.
Cdtm's effort to use DD overcoming Booster Gold's force fields was the cleverest attempt at giving the character a strength feat on this board that I've yet seen. Why would I not reward that if I can?
Ah, a textbook case in why NOT to make assumptions.
I am NOT referring to that, at all.
Although, thanks for pointing out a second time in this very thread you have done so - despite insisting that you are not going to entertain notions from any other storyline except DoS, and then, only notions that were displayed in the original story.
In this thread, DoS Doomsday NEVER showed that he was powered by solar energy, or could be overloaded, or anything like that.
Which is, after all, a go-to weapon in this Rulk's arsenal.
So in the absence of that, it would not be able to be used.
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You think that's the only thing you've brought up that's outside the DOS storyline? You bringing-up Doomsday and energy at all is an example, as DS pointed out. Whether overloading or draining Doomsday, the only arguments that can remotely be made for Rulk there are from outside DOS. Why else would you bring up Monica failing against Hulk and Doomsday against the Radiant in HUNTER/PREY?
Why does Rulk not being a favorite character of yours matter when you hate Superman? You deny it, but you sure prove otherwise. You're just not as butthurt as some others. You've handicapped Doomsday in equalizing speed, said only DOS Doomsday feats are allowed, and you're breaking your own rule there when it suits you. What conclusion can I come to other than you made this because you want Doomsday to lose?
Yeah, of course you're going to focus on collateral damage like it's the be all end all when it suits you. Superman before his first power-up has feats that are better than that, and he was hurting his hands punching Doomsday. Doomsday was beating the JLA with literally one hand tied behind his back. That alone impresses me more than what you're bringing up.
__________________ Bluewaterrider: "I'm surprised that a Skyfather like Zeus defeated Hulk when Zeus' Top-Tier son Hercules has lost to Hulk."
And I didn't make this because I want Doomsday to lose.
I made it because I knew, as did you, that the poster of that other thread wanted to know how Thunderbolt Ross Red Hulk would do versus Doomsday, not whoever or whatever Marvel is trying to pass off as Red Hulk these days,
and certainly not whoever DarkSaint was trying to force on the OP.
And also because I was and am curious as to who people think would win.
It was actually an insight gained through interacting with you that most convinces me Rulk would win this, Delta. Namely that the power of a hero in both the absolute sense AND relative to his or her peers changes under various writers and throughout various times. Wonder Woman 1992 is not comparable to Wonder Woman 2005, for instance. Superman 1987 does not compare to Superman 2007. Neither will the villains of a hero in "weaker" time periods compare to the villains that match the hero when the hero is at a peak of power.
Perhaps I can illustrate this with a showing from part of the Death of Superman storyline. Adventures of Superman #497, I believe.
Ask yourself: Would Maxima even be considered a great match even for the relatively weak Gray Hulk if I made a versus thread between the two? Yet does any deliberate action by Doomsday do much to dissuade Maxima here? Is DD not tossed about by Maxima's punches here? Would the explosion that knocks out Maxima AND Superman here affect Rulk the same way? What does it say if Superman of this era can be taken down by such a thing and Doomsday later has trouble dropping him, as DD similarly failed to do with DIRECT attack against Maxima?
I'm not sure why. Xavier and his original X-Men team could probably take this version of the JLA down. They generally seem incompetent as a group.
To be fair, plot probably demands that they be. But it was actually an early showing by you that convinced me the characters of this era were punks compared to their later incarnations, and you made a striking illustration with this lady:
If Wonder Woman, the person who is now considered by many to be the 2nd most powerful Justice Leaguer, is struggling against competition on that level, a level that even Spider-Man could probably deal with, what does this suggest for the group as a whole during this period, let alone it's leader?
Supes actually did make a passing reference to DD having energy reserves in the DOS arc. Nothing concrete(especially since Supes was theorizing), but if I recall correctly he said something to the effect of "if his energy reserves are as extensive as mine, I might be in trouble".
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Bluewaterrider: "I'm surprised that a Skyfather like Zeus defeated Hulk when Zeus' Top-Tier son Hercules has lost to Hulk."
as goober says,nothing concrete.
