Really now? You are trying to defend a feat that didn't even materialize.
There is hell of difference in the quality of structures throughout Star Wars (an in real life) and we focus on the context of each event.
Just look at obelisks; some are way heavier than others in the same size range.
Settings like the Infinity Vault, the Dark Temple and the Sanitarium are specially designed to contain some of the greatest threats to the galaxy and prevent their escape. Devastating these settings requires nearly impossible levels of strength.
This is why I roll my eyes when I see people hand-waving Vitiate's feat of damaging the Dark Temple. Hero of Tython is officially stronger than Barsen'thor (who has feats of destroying reinforced structures and throwing bus-sized chunks of metal around as if they are toys during his youth - imagine his strength at his peak) and he found it difficult to wrench a single object of the Dark Temple from its setting. Same guy wouldn't have trouble in collapsing a normal building of certain size otherwise.
This is why context is very important.
Also, remember the Muntuur stones? Not even Yoda could lift them all with ease and/or throw them around.
Now, the point is that Darth Maul doesn't match the hype of Soa and neither we have proof that he can replicate the showings of the latter in the same setting (i.e. Infinity Vault). Not even close.
When talking about Soa, people tend to forget he is a master of many arcane powers including Temporary Invulnerability, Teleportation and Mind Traps. These techniques can be of great help in a fight against an army or a large force. I believe that Mind Traps might be his most powerful ability and it is a terrifying ability.
The ancient Rakata built mind traps as the ultimate prison. These strange devices leave the victim’s body intact, but draw the psyche into an otherworldly "white room"–a virtual environment created by the mind trap’s power. While inside the white room, the victim does not hunger or age, and his thoughts are not impaired–but he can have no contact with the outside world until another being accesses the device. It is entirely possible for the victim’s body to die and the victim’s psyche to suffer immortality inside a white, featureless void.
Taken from the codex entry titled "Mind Traps."
What a load of...
Rakatans created arcane wonders (objects of unprecedented power and magnitude) much like the ancient Celestials. Remember the Star Forge?
Their technologies were vastly different from the engineering concepts employed by the Republic centuries later which mostly involve computers and electronics.
However, Star Forge could be adapted to construct even modern Starships; just one of the examples why Rakatan wonders continued to surprise scientists throughout the ages.
Also, keep in mind that the Republic immensely benefited from the Hyperspace travelling technologies.
More importantly, it was a deadly plague that devastated the Rakatan Empire. No civilization managed to challenge it openly otherwise. I suspect that this plague might be bio-engineered.
I'm arguing the statue feat is Maul-tier, you numpties, not Soa himself. I don't give a rats ass about the accolades, tho, because everyone and their mothers gets "herrr, so uber stronk; can destroy planetzz!" accolades in TOR.
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That's a rather quaint concession from you, cool. Can you give me an example of them 'using the environment' or 'manipulating energy'? The only example of this that I can see is using a pylon to remove his 'shield' at the end of the fight, and as these pylons are being telekinetically lifted, I don't think you can conclusively prove that Soa wasn't actually attempting to use the Pylons to his own advantage.
Even if it is the case that his shield was brought down by the environment. You need to conclusively prove the environment was more of a setback than a boon. Please explain to me how you are quantifying the final stage of the fight against Soa's use of Mind Traps, and his drawing power from the vault itself for the entire fight? If you're going to state your opinion as fact you need to actually ****ing prove that he was at a disadvantage due to the location, because everything else seems to disagree with you there.
Again, that they built the Eternity Vault because they couldn't kill him is still immensely dubious. We know the Rakata imprisoned people where they could. Your quote in the OP is from a dubious source, and if true, applies to the following people:
Gharj
Random Eshka
More random Eshka
All the Rakatan soldiers using technostaves.
The Infernal Council.
Soa
Now, even if you argue Soa's death was due to the Eternity Vault, everyone else in the vault died to conventional methods, from a Strike team we know for a fact could be formed of four protagonists at best. Therefore your quote is already proven false. Attempting to use a quote proven false for every other applicable person as gospel when it's already been disputed as an incorrect reading is genuinely the stupidest thing you've ever done, and that's a ****ing accomplishment.
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Nice imagination you have there Sel, you pushing embellishment as a cause for utter dismissal and me disagreeing is not a concession whatsoever.
Unless the SM and HM versions of the OP are massively different, I vividly remember making the pylons backfire on him and damaging him due to this.
So an army of ancients(not just Rakata) chained him but didn't kill him and instead created one of the most advanced prisons in the mythos for shits and giggles. Seems legit.
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Yes, I already mentioned this. Unless you can prove Soa wasn't the one causing those Pylons to elevate into the air (as they are moved via Telekinesis) to kill the Strike Team since he had failed twice to even hold them off, and this backfiring, the point is moot. Even then, you have yet to prove this was more of a disadvantage than him drawing power from the other pylons throughout the fight.
And forgive me, but did he literally wear Korriban as a crown? He must be even bigger than 50 feet tall, come to think of it, if he's wearing planets
Ohshitwait this guy exaggerates. I guess it's possible that 'chaining him' simply refers to taking out his empire and capturing him. Pretty much unwankable, really, this army is unquantifiable again. Yoda, Sidious, Krayt, and many others would need an army to be subdued, in case of a lack of strong force users. We've actually seen random Sith in Krayt's time destroy entire armies, so this quaint vague voiceover that might not actually be accurate is a strange choice on your end.
And yes, it is legit. The Rakatans imprisoned their kind, because of their race, we have seen this time and time again in numerous sources. The Rakatans did not kill their prisoners, so it makes far more sense for them to capture a man and imprison him (Belsavis was a ****ing prison world, you think it's weird for them to take prisoners?) due to an ideology than because they somehow couldn't kill him. It's literally unfathomable that you think a tiny portion of their power could enslave him, but their entire force could not. You're literally arguing above that a Rakatan pylon is the only reason the Strike team could kill Soa, but also that the Rakatans could not kill soa.
You are unfathomably stupid, this is the strangest argument I have ever seen. I would love someone else to chime in here.
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Yes Leg, the Starforge which was essentially a ship building factory powered by the darkside. It's not like there weren't other shipyards in the galaxy later on.
Yeah, the Republic improved on the hyperspace technology, whereas the Rakata were limited in scope.
I'm not talking about these things, I'm talking about the stuff TOR had them apparently do which seems kind of ridiculous they wouldn't adapt such technology elsewhere.
Not to mention Soa, if he's that powerful how would the IE even before their peak of power even manage to subdue him? Why wasn't Soa the one running things in the IE, because as I recall he was only a warlord, he wasn't the apex of the IE. The other Rakata should have posed no threat to him.
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