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NB4 Ant be like "it's shit, you call that a post? I'll destroy it within the week" or some such shit
I haven't read it yet, just woke up.
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The Force Unleashed and The Force Unleashed II novelizations overrule their respective video game counterparts in any and all discrepancies. It is stated that The Force Unleashed novelization is the “one true canon path.” Therefore, events in the video games that do not take place in the novelizations are not of “the one true canon path” and, therefore, non-canon. For example, Starkiller flying alongside the Salvation as it crashes into Timira City (from the video game) is invalidated by Starkiller destroying the Nebulon-B frigate before it hits (from the novelization).
To emphasize the point, The Force Unleashed II video game features two different kinds of cutscenes: real-time cutscenes and pre-rendered/cinematic cutscenes. All real-time cutscenes are contradicted by the novelization (e.g. Starkiller never uses the Fusion Accelerator Cannon to destroy a Star Destroyer in the novelization; he never leaves the bridge during the battle), but all pre-rendered/cinematic cutscenes closely align with the novelization. This suggests an awareness by game developers about which parts of the video game is canon and which parts are not (i.e. the cinematic, high-quality cutscenes that align with the novelization are canon, but the low-graphics, real-time cutscenes are not). Further, the real-time cutscenes and pre-rendered/cinematic cutscenes are not reconcilable to one another. For example, when Starkiller defeats Darth Vader, the destruction (e.g. destroyed electrical towers) and environment (e.g. weather, placement of characters, and background) between the real-time cutscenes and pre-rendered/cinematic cutscenes are completely different (click for reference - to 1:16:57). For example, the electrical towers that Starkiller uses to throw and electrocute Darth Vader are absent from the pre-rendered/cinematic cutscenes. As aforementioned, this is because the pre-rendered/cinematic cutscenes are generally consistent with the novelization and not the non-canon events, gameplay, and real-time cutscenes of the video game.
Therefore, any and all feats presented that do not align with the novelization are non-canon. However, I will still rebut them individually because you exaggerated or misinterpreted all the events.
In The Force Unleashed II, Starkiller is immensely weakened when he fights Darth Vader. Directly before fighting Darth Vader, the text notes, “He had never felt so exhausted, at every level of his being,” after releasing his full potency to destroy all his clones and the cloning tower.
However, just days prior, Starkiller lived for thirteen days straight without any food or sleep; instead, he survived solely off the Force. The text notes Starkiller “shied away from both memory and contemplation” because “there was no point wasting energy on either when his very survival was at stake.” This, along with Starkiller’s overall uncertainty if he would “endure and emerge whole, or never emerge at all,” illustrates Starkiller’s terrible condition.
Starkiller is even more exhausted against Darth Vader than he was after spending thirteen days straight wasting away Force energy to sustain himself. Therefore, no prior displays of power by Starkiller (e.g. the destruction of the Salvation) can be applied as indicators of Darth Vader’s ability. Rather, Darth Vader’s parity or inferiority to Starkiller in this state, despite Vader doing “everything in his power to stop him,” suggests that Vader outright cannot replicate many of Starkiller’s most impressive feats.
As a preemptive rebuttal, I acknowledge that the text states Starkiller attempts to regain his strength. However, Darth Vader almost immediately interrupts his meditation trance. More importantly, Starkiller has released his full potency twice-over. First, in destroying the Salvation, Starkiller fears he is expending so much energy that he may die from the attack. While he does not die, he falls unconscious for a duration of time. Second, in destroying the clones and the cloning tower, Starkiller, “sought strength from within himself, and pushed outward with all his might.” Overall, Starkiller is more exhausted when he starts his fight against Darth Vader than, as aforementioned, “spending thirteen days straight wasting away Force energy to sustain himself.” Returning to full power will not be a fast process, especially when he is expending even more energy fighting Darth Vader. It is a wonder he is even fighting at all.
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This feat falls under both rebuttals made in my first post: due to Starkiller’s exhaustion when fighting Darth Vader, nothing can be extrapolated to gather anything meaningful for Vader, and the entire event is irreconcilably contradicted by The Force Unleashed II novelization regardless. The text states Starkiller never leaves the bridge during the space battle of Kamino. Instead, Rahm Kota orders him to operate a turbolaser by remote for its entirety. In contrast, in The Force Unleashed II video game, Starkiller goes off to fight Imperial boarding forces and operates the cannon, then returns to the bridge toward the end of the battle. Thus, the event is non-canon.
However, your take on the event, as portrayed in the video game, is still wrong.
The following is a Databank entry from the Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II video game:
Under normal conditions, the Fusion Accelerator Cannon is relatively weak and cannot penetrate a Star Destroyer's shields (click for reference). However, as noted in the Databanks, altering the cannon by "re-routing the primary power couplings" produces superweapon-esque capabilities. It is evident that the Databanks stating the cannon can be altered to produce far more potent results, and Starkiller’s actions resembling said alterations, is not a coincidence. By applying Force lightning to the “coils” directly, the flow of energy is visibly irregular and likely constitutes as the “re-routing” of the “primary power couplings” (click for reference) needed to convert it to superweapon mode. Further, as I detail below, Starkiller’s energy reactivates - not directly powers - the cannon’s systems, as consistently portrayed across all mediums portraying the event.
1.) While The Force Unleashed II Prima Guide notes that Starkiller “powers” the cannon, you neglect to mention that it uses the terms “activate” and “power” interchangeably. Both words are used to describe Starkiller reactivating turbolasers with Force lightning: "There are several more turbo lasers in this room... Approach the third one and use Force Lightning to activate it and fire on the Star Destroyer some more… After firing at the Star Destroyer, use Force Grip to yank out the fuse from the turbo laser mechanism. Move the fuse into place on the floor nearby and power it up.” Therefore, your argument that the terminology of “powers” means he definitely did not activate it is wrong.
2.) The Force Unleashed II Nintendo DS version outright confirms Starkiller reactivates the cannon with Force lightning. Both the Nintendo DS version (click for reference) and the console version (click for reference) portray the reactivation of the turbolasers by Force lightning. The Fusion Accelerator Cannon is outright reactivated in the same fashion (click for reference). Further, in this version, the projectiles fired by the cannon is distinctively different than Force energy, making it clear the output is not Starkiller’s energy like you suggest (click for reference).
3.) You incorrectly assert that the cannon interiors are destroyed. However, as Rahm Kota states, “the main cannon is offline,” suggesting that its systems are simply deactivated, which is generally what an ion cannon does. As proof, note that when the cannon is online, components of it radiate with blue energy (click for reference). Once it is hit, the blue energy disappears (click for reference). However, when Starkiller does-what-he-does, all systems turn back online and remain online after he is done operating the cannon, thus meaning he reactivates it (click for reference).
Overall, the Force lightning simultaneously reactivates the Fusion Accelerator Cannon and reconfigures it to function as a superweapon. Therefore, the energy output of the Fusion Accelerator Cannon does not reflect Starkiller’s power whatsoever.
This quote is startlingly ambiguous. The term “full force” can mean “full potency” or “full impact.” However, based on the quote stating, “the Emperor turned the fullness of his malevolence against Luke,” it appears “full impact” is more likely. The Emperor clearly did not unleash the “fullness” of his potency against Luke Skywalker. or else Luke would have been destroyed. Thus, simply all the Emperor's Force lightning hit Darth Vader, thereby meaning Darth Vader took the "full force" of it.
Whether it was because he was blinded by rage, blocked by the will of the Force, taken off guard, or all of the above, it is clear the Emperor lost control of his powers and thus would not be capable of utilizing them effectively. Note that the Emperor continues firing his Force lightning all the way down the shaft long after Darth Vader is out-of-range, making it blatant that he lost control of what he was firing. After all, in his final moments, the Emperor also: a.) was unable to foresee Luke's defiance b.) was unable to foresee Darth Vader's betrayal c.) was unable to escape Darth Vader's grasp d.) was unable to levitate out of the pit after being thrown in e.) was unable to guide himself to land on the many walkways that he flew past (click for reference).
Always check the sources you use to make sure they are out-of-universe and not in-universe.
This quote is an in-universe statement by a historian named Voren Na'al. I meticulously checked all other sources that I could find about how Darth Vader died and found only one repeated what you said: The Essential Chronology - an earlier version of the in-universe source you are using. On the other hand, I found three out-of-universe sources confirming it was the Emperor's lightning that killed Darth Vader:
The first feat you cited happens on day thirteen of Starkiller not eating or sleeping; the second feat happens when Starkiller is in a state even worse than such. Like with the Fusion Accelerator Cannon, “due to Starkiller’s exhaustion when fighting Darth Vader, nothing can be extrapolated to gather anything meaningful for Vader.” Also, the second feat is not only contradicted by the novelization, but the power disparity between the two is outright inconsistent.
In The Force Unleashed II novelization, Starkiller immediately turns the tide against Darth Vader by hitting him with Force lightning. While the text notes he does this through surprise and exploiting a gash in Darth Vader's armor, Starkiller replicates the feat without either condition earlier in the fight. Darth Vader would have been killed if not for Starkiller catching an abrupt Force vision, so the idea that Darth Vader is "unfazed" by Starkiller's Force lightning is wrong.
I wonder why you left out the passage directly beforehand:
When Darth Vader runs into the room, Starkiller immediately unleashes the explosion. A point at the outer edge of the explosion contains a fraction of the power initially released, so you cannot quantify this for Darth Vader and state his Force shields are capable of resisting the full force of the assault. In reality, he only resists a small portion of the blast and still sustains injuries. Also, it is clear this is not indication Darth Vader can resist Starkiller’s Force attacks when the same Vader just got telekinetically dominated by Starkiller shortly beforehand.
The potency of the explosion is also commonly exaggerated. It is not powerful enough to make the Death Star appear damaged from space (click for reference). Rather, the blast causes a chain reaction: "Weakened by the blast, the dome's supports gave way. It collapsed into the superlaser dish, triggering a series of conventional explosions.”
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Context is key. Cronal laces Kar Vastor’s body with a ”shadow nerve network of meltmassif,” thereby making Vastor’s “connection to the fundamental power of the Dark” rival Cronal’s. As per the quote, one’s connection to “the Dark” - Cronal’s own, crazed Force philosophy - is linked with the meltmassif, making it clear that it has nothing to do with actual Force power. However, the first quote from Shadows of the Empire can be used to draw a direct comparison between Kar Vastor and Darth Vader, so I have a rebuttal for that as well.
The Korunnai - Kar Vastor included - have a deep connection to the Force energies of Haruun Kal. All of them call upon “pelekotan,” translating to “world-power” or “jungle mind,” for strength. Their bond to Haruun Kal is similar to the Nightsisters and Dathomir, who wield spirit ichor - an aspect of the Force native to Dathomir - to manifest their powers. Like with the Nightsisters, the Korunnai have a link to the Force beyond that of their homeworld by having excess midichlorians (i.e. they are Force-sensitive), but their deep submergence within pelekotan supplies them with powers intricately linked to the jungles of Haruun Kal and the energies produced by it.
In particular, Kar Vastor is the “lor pelek,” meaning “jungle master” or “pelekotan incarnate: the avatar of the jungle-mind” [1]. Kar Vastor fully gave himself to pelekotan at the price of his humanity [2], thus becoming the embodiment of the jungle - so much so his speech is “jungle noise” [3]. Mace Windu states Kar Vastor’s innate ability to use pelekotan - which the novelization notes is the source of his power [4] - is as instinctual as biological processes [5]. Since Kar Vastor’s true power comes from pelekotan and not himself, Mace Windu senses energy flow in and out of him from the surrounding jungle, but it never “touches” him [6]. For example, when Kar Vastor fights, the power of the jungle around him transfers from the flora and fauna into Vastor, making the wildlife silent [7][8]. However, Kar Vastor flees Haruun Kal when Palpatine orders the planet razed shortly after Revenge of the Sith. Thus, Darth Vader being the second most powerful individual alive during the reign of the Galactic Empire, and therefore more powerful than Kar Vastor, is not relevant when Vastor’s nexus-dependent power is lost to him.
Mace Windu notes that it is difficult to get an impression of Kar Vastor’s power. It is near-impossible to distinguish him from the surrounding jungle [9]. In fact, Nick Rotsu is dumbfounded that Mace Windu loses his fight against Kar Vastor and is of the belief Mace “threw” the battle [10], indicating that Vastor’s aura is shrouded and/or inferior to that of Mace’s. Furthermore, Kar Vastor is unable to utilize the totality of his “raw power”; rather, his applicable power is on-par or inferior to Mace Windu’s, who outright rivals him in a clash of power [11]. Mace Windu also resists his Force choke, casually equals his telekinetic power [12], and, despite what Mace claims, is vastly faster [13][14]. Mace Windu is winning the entire fight; Kar Vastor only wins because, when Mace gets exhausted, Vastor gets up again and continues fighting [15]. In other words, Kar Vastor has nigh-unlimited reserves since he can call endlessly on the jungle for power, hence why his “raw power” is likened to Anakin Skywalker circa Attack of the Clones. That does not translate to immediate combat or the power of his aura, however. Therefore, Nick Rotsu gauging Darth Vader to be more powerful than Kar Vastor by comparing Force signatures is irrelevant.
Lastly, Mace Windu notes that Nick Rotsu “was at best marginally sane.” This is outright evident in Nick Rotsu’s comparison, where Rotsu states Kar Vastor is a “feral Balawai renegade.” Not only is Kar Vastor not Balawai, but he outright led a campaign alongside Nick Rotsu to exterminate the Balawai. Thus, it is apparent Nick Rotsu is not a reliable source concerning Kar Vastor since he has forgotten everything about Vastor and cannot get the essential details correct.
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#5 - Re: Vader has vastly greater raw power than Revan
The quote you cited is just months after Revenge of the Sith. By this time, Palpatine thinks Darth Vader’s "real weaknesses were psychological rather than physical" and that he still harnesses the full potential of Anakin Skywalker, hence why Palpatine seeks to “reawaken the incredible power within.” However, Palpatine is wrong, which he realizes by the time Galen Marek and Luke Skywalker - both with incredible potential but blatantly inferior to that of the Ones - break into the scene. Palpatine even tells Galen Marek that Darth Vader “was weak, broken!” making it clear he embraces George Lucas’ opinion on the matter.
Legacy of the Force echoes this viewpoint. A central reason why Jacen Solo falls to the dark side is so he can “be the man his grandfather couldn’t.” Lumiya states that Darth Vader could never have surpassed Palpatine and that the greatest Force abilities are beyond Vader’s ability to wield. Overall, between George Lucas, Lumiya, and, yes, Palpatine, it is clear Darth Vader does not have Force potential approaching that of Palpatine’s. That is, after all, a large part of the character’s “tragedy.”
Once again, you conveniently leave out the next lines:
I highlighted the three key observations here.
One, Darth Vader’s lightsaber mastery is inferior to the classical swordplay demonstrated by the Jedi of earlier ages. Two, this is “the height of his powers,” meaning that Darth Vader evidently did not grow much stronger by the time of Return of the Jedi, despite what he claims. Three, Darth Vader “only” has a “dominant edge in battle” against Luke Skywalker in The Empire Strikes Back because of his “much greater experience.” As the phrase goes, “you can't have your cake and eat it too.” If you want to argue Darth Vader is a “far more formidable opponent” on Bespin, then you likewise need to accept that he is still a relatively mediocre swordsman and that Bespin represents the “height of his powers.”
The ball’s in your court. I see no need to go into greater detail at this time if you wish to abandon the argument, which is understandable.
While I do think this “debate” - although calling it that is a stretch if the entirety is me correcting you on simple matters - has been quite disappointing so far, I hope you can turn it around and make it more interesting. As a rule of thumb, simply spamming the most “ludicrous” - as you put it - arguments is not an effective way to win a debate. Generally, the more outrageous the argument, the easier it is to tear apart. Notice that every single “feat” or “scaling” you have brought before me has not withstood the most basic of scrutiny, nor has any forced my hand to draw a direct comparison with Revan. That being said, I will now introduce two central Revan arguments - with a minimum of five additional ones coming in future posts when and if needed.
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The above scan from Dark Times 12: Vector, Part 6 can and has been interpreted many different ways, but it unquestionably evident that Karness Muur’s power is, at the very least, comparable to Darth Vader’s in 19 BBY. It logically does not follow that Darth Vader is simultaneously significantly more powerful than Karness Muur yet believes, with Muur’s power, he can overthrow Palpatine. Darth Vader’s assertion is clearly mistaken as Palpatine would obliterate them, but it still indicates Karness Muur’s immense power. The fact Darth Vader rejects Karness Muur not because they would still lose to Palpatine but rather that he does not want to trade Palpatine for a new master indicates his fear of being subservient to Karness Muur is greater than his fear of betraying Palpatine. None of these thoughts would exist if Karness Muur is blatantly feeble compared to Darth Vader. Further, why would Darth Vader kneel before an inferior Sith and not instead try to expel Karness Muur’s spirit if he is indeed more powerful?
Karness Muur is one of the original Exiles who fled to Korriban after the Hundred Year Darkness conflict. Millenia prior, the Rakata constructed a Star Map - a self-repairing ancient Rakata device imbued with the dark side - that pinpoints the location of the Star Forge. The Exiles used the Star Map as their primary source of power. Ajunta Pall states that the Star Map was ”where our power came from” and repeats the claim again when he states, ”And so here our old secret is buried and none of us hold it anymore . . . is that not right? Our power fled.” Ajunta Pall also describes the Star Map as their “oldest secret” and that it housed “so much power it is blinding.” Likewise, Ajunta Pall suggests that the reason why the Exiles were more powerful than fallen Jedi before them is because of the Star Map: “We were not the first to fall to the dark side. But we had more power than those before us. It came from elsewhere.” Additionally, Ajunta Pall implies that the Star Map exacerbated the Exiles hunger for power, directly leading to their civil war, when he tells Revan: “I see your power, your pride. You will find the old place, the dark place, and you will regret it.” Overall, based on Ajunta Pall’s comments, the Star Map has far greater dark-side power than any other focal point of dark-side energy on Korriban, including the talismans and other trinkets the Exiles created and likely the Exiles themselves.
Both the Star Map and the Star Forge are created the same way - using self-repairing ancient Rakata technology imbued with the dark side. However, the Star Map is an immeasurably small device (click for reference) compared to the Star Forge (click for reference). Note that all of the ships seen in the second link are 600 meter long Interdictor-class cruisers. virtue of the Star Forge being infinitely greater in scale and all other factors appearing equal or beneficial toward the Star Forge, it logically follows that it harnesses infinitely greater power - “immeasurable power.” After all, there is no argument to be made that a device created to find a place of unprecedented power would have comparable power to the place it is designating.
The extent of the disparity shown between Darth Malak and the Exiles is hard to put into words. On one side, there is a group of Sith Lords in absolute wonderment and fear over the power of this dark side artifact. It is akin to a bunch of cavemen huddled around a fire in awe over its power - then killing each other because of it. On the other side, there is one lone Sith Lord demonstrating total mastery over a dark side space station of hilariously greater potency, as if he is casually manipulating one of the largest forest fires ever seen throughout human history. The fact Darth Vader is in awe of the power of the Muur Talisman, which is vastly inferior to the Star Map, which is - you know the rest. The progression of power demonstrates the illegitimacy of the Kar Vastor argument addressed earlier (i.e. arguing Revan is greatly inferior to Darth Vader in 19 BBY), and also Darth Malak’s vast superiority to Darth Vader as of 19 BBY. Frankly, their levels of mastery seem to be so separate that it is hard to imagine that Darth Vader ever reaches a place of comparable power, which leads me to my next point . . .
1.) QUEEN AMANOA: Under normal conditions, it appears she has little Force sensitivity (click for reference). However, by fully opening herself to the dark side nexus of Freedon Nadd’s tomb, she releases waves of hatred that stretch across the entire city of Iziz and torment “thousands” - perhaps tens of thousands - of Beast Riders (click for reference). The warriors saw illusions, felt pain, heard words echoing in their minds, and likely would have either been corrupted or killed if not for the timely appearance of Arca Jeth.
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2.) ARCA JETH: The Jedi Master easily dispels Queen Amanoa dark-side attack through the use of Battle Meditation, then confronts Queen Amanoa in Freedon Nadd’s tomb. His presence in the Force is powerful enough to overshadow the tomb’s dark side energy - the same power used to devastate a multi-thousand strong army and affect many Jedi Knights - consequently killing Queen Amanoa because she is dependent on its power for strength (click for reference).
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3.) OMMIN: With the ability to directly call upon Freedon Nadd’s spirit for strength, he is far more formidable than Queen Amanoa. Early in his career, he “dominates the populace of Onderon with the dark side,” which has a population of over four million. He also incapacitates Arca Jeth with a dark side attack across the city (click for reference) and, when they meet, easily overpowers him in a wall of dark side energy (click for reference). His powers also ravage the Jedi strike team led by a young Ulic Qel-Droma, draining away their Force barriers. Note that the Jedi’s Force barriers previously resisted heavy cannon and starship fire (click for reference).
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4.) ULIC QEL-DROMA: Ommin unleashes his full power against a young Nomi Sunrider and Qel-Droma, completely immobilizing Sunrider. However, Qel-Droma overcomes the dark side energies and strikes Ommin down. After the fight, Qel-Droma becomes “perhaps the greatest [Jedi] of his time”, then far more powerful than Aleema Keto: As Aleema regains consciousness, she beholds an astonishing transformation in her lover Ulic. Ulic Qel-Droma and the intruder are rippling with dark-side energy - more power than all her Sith magic has given her. After such, he gains “tremendous powers of the dark side” beyond that. Thus, by the end of his career, Qel-Droma should be far more powerful than the likes of Ommin.
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5.) EXAR KUN: The Dark Jed outright obliterates Freedon Nadd’s spirit on Yavin IV. While the Jedi Academy Training Manual indicates that Sith spirits are susceptible to amulet attacks, this likely means that it is a way to interact with the spirit-plane - since entities are otherwise immune to Force powers - rather than functioning as a “trump card” against them. Logically, the blast Kun unleashes still has to exceed the concentrated dark side energies that make up the spirit. Note that Exar Kun experiences a significant growth in power immediately after he destroys the spirit as well. Galactic Files notes that he becomes “now super-powerful” and Vodo Siosk-Baas senses his ascension: "I feel a disturbance in the Force, I sense a great power has fallen and another has risen in its place." Since this growth happens immediately before he stalemates Ulic Qel-Droma, logically Qel-Droma can replicate the destruction of Freedon Nadd’s spirit - with greater ease - even before his aforementioned growth. However, by the end of his reign, Kun is canonically more powerful than Ulic Qel-Droma and “far more powerful” than any individual Jedi of the era.
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According to Leland Chee, he and Lucasfilm Licensing are personally involved in many articles on the Star Wars Roleplaying Game website Before a page on the website is created, the publisher Wizards of the Coast has to send the article to Leland Chee and Lucasfilm Licensing a month in advance. They read it over, check any and all discrepancies, then send it back. After making the changes, Wizards of the Coast sends it back to them again for a second screening. After that is also confirmed, the article is published. For the Expanded Universe article series, Lucasfilm Licensing even decides what content to include and provides the authors with information. Leland Chee notes that he loves the Expanded Universe articles. Overall, this seems to be the most extensively detailed screening process out of any Star Wars work I can think of.
Now, if only Darth Malak had an informative quote on the Star Wars Roleplaying Game website . . . particularly one of the “monthly Expanded Universe features” . . .
As stated by perhaps the most meticulously verified article in Star Wars history, Darth Malak has “powers far greater than even Exar Kun or Freedon Nadd.” The quote implies that the source of this power is the Star Forge, hence “or was cybernetic enhancement too simple an explanation?” In the past, this quote has been contested due to the questionable validity of the source and alleged contradictions with Tales of the Jedi. However, neither of these complaints stand, especially since Leland Chee checks all discrepancies the articles may have. Thus, if any inconsistencies exist - and to my knowledge none do - they are outright retconned by Lucasfilm Licensing regardless.
Generally speaking, the larger the line of “scaling” between two characters, the more disconnected the first and last character of the series are to each other. However, since Darth Malak is more powerful than both Exar Kun or Freedon Nadd, near-immediate comparisons can be made between Darth Malak and almost any character in Tales of the Jedi. For example, since Darth Malak is far more powerful than Freedon Nadd, he can logically replicate with ease what Queen Amanoa or Ommin do, since they are fully dependent on Nadd’s tomb or spirit for strength.
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7.) REVAN: We are finally at the end. After fighting through armies of Sith apprentices, Sith war droids, and Sith troopers, then fighting Bastila Shan, Revan confronts and kills a Star Forge-empowered Darth Malak. During the battle, Darth Malak drains the life-force of nearby Jedi captives, thereby meaning Revan has to defeat him multiple times consecutively. Further, as aforementioned, the dark side nexus of the Star Forge is easily among the most potent in history and thus would significantly weaken Revan’s abilities. This clearly demonstrates Revan’s extensive superiority to Darth Malak over three-hundred years before his prime.
I am not a fan of “chains,” but since you made one, I think I should make one as well:
Revan (SOR) >> Revan (end of KOTOR) >> Darth Malak (end of KOTOR) >>> Exar Kun (TOTJ, TSW #6) > Ulic Qel-Droma (TOTJ, TSW #5) >>> Ulic Qel-Droma (end of TOTJ, DLOTS #6) = Exar Kun (end of TOTJ, DLOTS #6) >>> Ulic Qel-Droma (start of TOTJ, DLOTS #6) = Exar Kun (start of TOTJ, DLOTS #6) >> Exar Kun (start of TOTJ, DLOTS #5) >>>+ Ommin (TOTJ, TFNU #2) >>> Arca Jeth (TOTJ, TFNU #1) >>>+ Queen Amanoa (TOTJ, KOTOR #2) = ravaging the minds of thousands of Beast Riders.
“How is Revan Darth Vader going to hurt him again?"
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He'd have to rethink his entire approach, actually. Not that I think Ell should subject himself to the level of arse rvpe that he'll get from Ant's next post if he replies.
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