Registered: Sep 2006
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gimme a dwarf in a bear suit clobbering a guy in a Stormtrooper suit that cuts away to the greatest space battle of all time over a bunch of pixartastic CGI clonetroopers,a bunch of CGI termites and some skeletal ROGER ROGER types anyday
Registered: Sep 2006
Location: MANCHESTER - ENGLAND
i just like my characters to look like living breathing beings as opposed to something one step up from Buzz Lightyear even if it is a dwarf in a bear suit
theres more acting in a brief glance between Han and Leia than in the whole PT
its not all about the FX but the PT sure is
vint?
You can not like the PT, but being obsessed with the OT is what I have a problem with. Many things that are there in the PT are there in the OT.
I'm agains the over-glorification of old, frankly crappy (like all of Star Wars) films. I'm against the OT becoming some sort of indesctructable myth simply out of a closeminded nostalgia.
I love the OT. I love PT. They are all crappy films that speak to me. However, I'm not blinded by a false glory. Some people wrongly elevate the OT to these mythically high positions, refusing to accept its many weakpoints and then bash the PT for not being the OT and then try to sink it on shallow criticisms.
As far as clones, I'm mostly just playing, especially with GG. I feel thats a mutual understanding between us.
See, I don't look at SW as OT vs PT, I look at it more like ANH/ESB vs. ROTJ/PT, and there lies the difference.
ANH/ESB are just truly great movies from this genre, IMO, and from ROTJ on, there are flaws in all those movies that are not prevailent in ANH/ESB.
Now I am not comparing The Godfather to ANH/ESB, they are different genres, and can't be compared, but for SciFi/Fantasy/Action genre that I classify them in, they are as good as it gets.
Just watch ANH/ESB again sometimes, and then watch the other 4 SW movies, and you can see a big difference in the tone, the drama, and the movement towards appeasing the young kids that I plead guilty I was apart of during 77-83 that Lucas tried to appease starting with ROTJ.
There is no Jar Jar Binks cluttering up the screen for 2 hours in ANH/ESB, there is no awful AOTC romance that is written so poorly in ESB between Han/Leia. There are magical moments in ANH/ESB such as the Binary Sunset, Luke blowing up the Death Star, Luke/Leia flying across the Death Star Chasm in ANH, and then you have magical moments in ESB like Yoda lifting the X-Wing Fighter, Han saying to Leia, "I know" and then being put in Carbonite, and then of course you have the classic, "I am your father!" moment. All these bad moments started in ROTJ, not the PT, the Ewoks, the movies lose that edge, and only contain 'great' scenes, instead of being a great movie. Take away the Throne Room scenes in ROTJ, and it could be worse then any PT movie.
To me there is no magical moments in ROTJ and the PT movies, that really stick out that do it for me on a dramatic level. There are cool moments in each the other 4 films that I truly enjoy, but overall they are just moments, not great movies. So again, I don't think this an OT vs PT, this ANH/ESB vs ROTJ/PT argument.
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It's a myth because when those movies came out (especially ANH), audiences would do stuff like cheer when the good guys won, laugh when there was humour, applaud when the movie ended, and line up (and I'm talking those big-ass, single-theatre, around the block, half-day long line-ups) again, and again, and again to go see them.
The OT films were (what in the film business is called) audience pleasers...despite the flaws that some critics and moviegoers pointed to.
The ONLY people the PT films pleased (on that same level) were SOME of us nerdy Star Wars fans...and that's pretty much it. Other movie goers didn't line up again and again, didn't cheer, and sure as heck didn't laugh...and it's because the PT saga failed as films. And compared to the previous saga, for every 1 fault the OT films had, the PT had 10.
...I still love 'em though.
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Registered: Sep 2006
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its all lighthearted on my part
while i indeed was once slightly obsessed with SW ive got it under control nowadays
im down to 3 viewings a year,the odd vintage figure purchase here with the odd withdrawl symptom when a convention hits town...so im doing...ok..sniff
although the posting of pics has renewed my interest in the OT
they are a pleasure indeed
whereas the fairly atmosphere free PT bts pics only have added Star Destroyer fuel to the fire
i dislike the PT because its everything but the kitchen sink cgi overload and thus robs it of any soul thats all it is
the OT had that in spades
a common comment about the OT v PT is that (and i dislike this kind of thing) is that if you were a fan of SW in the 70s 80s the kids brought up on the PT will never understand
its not a misty eyed glorification
the vibe of 77-83 couldnt be recreated
it was a unique experiance attatched to 2 outstanding movies and one with a couple of faults because he had to round everything up in 2 1/2 hours
i like a lot of films
some more than the OT
the original Planet Of The Apes being one but im here to talk SW
The PT is just a cold hollow humourless unconvincing but pretty to look at 7 1/2 hours with about an hour of which is actually worth a shit
and surprisingly the majority of this are scenes with characters talking one on one which is the biggest surprise of all..i mean they talk like ****ing robots to each other but maybe your head as been twatted so much by CGI that a bit of dialogue between two characters comes as a nice relief
theres a song called Video Killed The Radio Star which is self explanitory
Well CGI Killed the Star Wars
OT appealed to all whereas the PT appealed to the kids and thats no prob and ive always had that in the back of my head
i just thought a little consideration for the long time fans wouldve been nice but at the end of it hes made the PT for those aged 9 who would have been 15 or 16 when ROTS came out
if i was a 9 year old i would have loved the PT
its for kids plain and simple
and thats why my dissing of the PT is lighthearted
First of all, people don't stand up and cheer anymore in films. Secondly, I don't know what showings you were at, but people definately stood up and cheered in AOTC when Yoda walked into the room to confront dooku. They lighted thier Force FX lightsabers when the duel on Mustafar started. The cheered when Vaders' helmet slipped on.
If Star Wars was so hated by everyone now adays except fans, how come ESB made the least (excluding the culture phenomenon that was ANH) and all the PTs made more?
What does this tell us? Star Wars became a phenomenon after ESB. This Star Wars is so hated nowadays be everony except fans comments are exactly the types of comments I'd expect to be hearing after ESB flopped in the box office. The PT hasn't had time to crystalize into a gem. No one, except fans cared about the the OT, until Lucas re-realesed the films in the 1990s and started marketing again. Starwars then became a culture phenomenon. It still is and it will continue to be so.
People need time to sit back and take a deep breath and realize that htis is not the 80s. These are different films from a different time with different messages and point. Anyone who expects the PT to be the OT is doing a disservice to both Lucas and both trilogies.
With all due respect Aliance, I don't think time is going to help the PT, cause you have to look at how ROTJ is viewed by so many by my generation, or the OT generation.
I guarantee you 95% of the fans who saw ROTJ in 1983 at 10-14 years old LOVED IT like I did. They didn't think of the Ewoks being too kiddy, or the Jabba's Palace going on too long, or the way Lucas tied everything up in a nice bow via 'The Other' being Leia, Kenobis 'POV', and Lando & Han are boys again.
I don't doubt that kids today love the PT, I know cause my nephews do, but they also love Pirates of the Caribbean, Spiderman just as much.
The OT generation love those films like no other movies ever made, the PT films are entertaining films to this generation but are no different in terms of entertaining as to POTC & Spiderman. For example, my nephews were all Darth Vader in Halloween '05, and were Jack Sparrow in Halloween '06, and I bet they will be Spiderman for Halloween '07, etc.
They are going to look back at the PT years from now when they grow up, and they will still like them, but they won't be beloved the same way the OT was to the 77-83 generation purely cause of quality. People keep missing the boat that the main reasons we loved SW-OT so much was that ANH/ESB were just so damn good!!!
Summer movies to me are flavors of the month, I enjoy watching Raiders of the Lost Ark, Terminator, and even Back to the Future, they were all the 'genre' flicks from my time, but nothing, I mean nothing, IMO, comes close to the OT, and that is because ANH & ESB are my two favorite movies of all-time, and ROTJ completes the set cause it has the ending of the trilogy. Are you telling me young kids are going to have TPM/AOTC as their two favorite movies of all-time 15 years from now? I think ROTS will have a shot, but one good movie does not make a great trilogy.
I'm sorry, but I can't help but notice a sort of contradiction in what you've just said. People don't cheer anymore...but they do.
...and I never said people "stood up"...I said they cheered, laughed and applauded.
I think people here will agree with me that audience members cheering with Yoda or Vader in the PT or whatever were Star Wars nerds who were at the same early showings of the movies we were at.
'Cmon.
(In fact, I was one of the few people not cheering when Yoda did that entrance in AOTC because I didn't even know he was gonna scrap...everyone else did and were waiting for it).
I don't know if that makes me a bad Star Wars fan or just not as much a nerd as most.
EDIT: And it's so very obvious why the PT has made more money. Really. Look at the marketing, number of theatres (which are mulitplexes btw), and distribution that exists today.
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