Besides the point. Look at the improvement Kenobi showed during three years heading into ROTS. He would have improved at at least a similar rate over the course of a decade after TPM, where he was already quite close to Qui-Gon Jinn.
It doesn't matter one way or the other if Kenobi surpassed Fisto or not. I'm judging how good of a duelist Fisto is based on him being better than AotC Kenobi.
They deteriorated, no matter which way you want to spin it.
Dude, Vader was a "shadow of his former self" during the ANH time period, and he hadn't even began modelling his hybrid form to adjust to his suit by this point. Vader was about a tier and a half below TPM Maul as a duelist at this stage in time and Ben was losing to him. To say Vader is far more skilled than Anakin period is nonsense, never mind during ANH.
I don't see how Ben is more skilled than Fisto. And Fisto has adapted Shii-Cho to work for lightsaber duels, evidenced by him being able to fight Kenobi for hours who was using a dueling-centric form.
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
I know, and none of them was considerably good combatants, or you can correct me if I am wrong, because I don't remember any good duelist that Vader ever defeated. Mostly he beats his opponent because of his durability / armor and TK.
__________________ ''You are no warrior, Maul thought. You know nothing of the dark side.'' ★_Darth Maul Respect Thread_★
I'm not so sure. Lucas stated/confirmed, that Ben and Vader are inferior to Obi-Wan and Anakin as a duelists.
And yeah, that was before AotC. But after TPM, when we can see 60 years old Jinn, who is far from being "an old man". Lucas ****ed SW's timeline in the PT.
Well Jinn was supposed to be past his prime (according to the novel at least), but yeah clearly was still capable.
Looking at ROTS Windu clearly being at his Prime, Qui-Gon being past his prime and ROTS Kenobi clearly not being the most learned in TK yet, I'd guess on average 50ish should be the Prime of the Jedi.
I guess Dooku just hanged on to very close to his prime a lot longer than most. And Yoda/Sidious were just the Ultimate masters of the Force, so weren't effected by age too much.
Either way Old Ben being "too old" just sounds ridiculous now, and makes little/no sense.
Well he's bound to improve more during a war. Otherwise by applying that rate of improvement at any time regardless Old Ben should have been whooping everyone's butt.
We can't just assume a massive improvement over time, or apply an exact formula for it. That's why we take feats and accolades over "assumed" improvements.
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