Palpatine told Anakin he killed Plagueis. Heck, he may have even thought he did. Palpatine's word on the subject doesn't make it a certainty, however. For all we know, there is much more to the story that Palpatine didn't tell Anakin. /shrug
What I find more curious is that IF Snoke=Plagueis, then why the name change? Why no 'Darth' title?
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ALSO: It'd be pretty neat story wise if both Anakin and Kylo were seduced by the story of Darth Plagueis the wise. Like Rey was sick or something and Snoke taught him to save her using the Dark Side.
He'll be redeemed when he sees Rey, the very person he fell to the Dark Side for is in danger from Snoke.
I mean there's not really any other villain who is relevant to the 6 movies aside from Plagueis. If the villain doesn't link the six movies it'll be pretty lame honestly. Who would you want Snoke to be?
Eh, I dunno. I hope so, but I'm not sure. Especially if they're worried about Luke overshadowing everyone.
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Don't see anything lame about it. But, I feel, bringing back Plagueis could easily undermine Palpatine.
As for what I want, well pretty much anything else. He could be some ancient dark sider or an apprentice of either Vader or Palpatine (though I doubt this considering he says he watched the GE rise and fall in the novel). As long as he has an interesting backstory like his face has I'll be happy.
Ugh, we don't need to have a callback to a character that had no screen-time, was only mentioned once, and was verbally killed off. Why are people so afraid of Snoke being an original creation? We don't need a pre-established backstory to very goddamn character.
Snoke is Plagueis.
Rey is Luke's daughter.
Finn is Lando's bastard.
Poe is the son of a clone soldier.
BB8 was built by Biggs.
God forbid we get a new character with his own story not established in the other trilogies.
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Yes we do. Its not just Star Wars: The Force Awakens, its Star Wars Episode VII. Its supposed to be a continuation of the original story. It will significantly detract from the story if some random guy can threaten the existence of the New Republic, Luke and the other heroes.
Aside from 1 and 2 the rest of them are retarded. And as for 2, a huge part of the Star Wars saga has always been about the Skywalker family. That being said I'd be chill if Rey wasn't Luke's daughter. But the villain should be someone familiar that adds a level of threat on the level of Sidious. The only one in the canon I can think of is Plagueis.
Yes, God forbid that. Its far less interesting imo. Snoke is this ancient dark side being who's watched the rise and fall of the galactic empire. Why is he never mentioned before? Yes I'd prefer Plagueis to ass pull, villain of the week Snoke
@ares: it could be used to undermine Palps. OR indirectly hype him. Like 'Snoke was afraid to move with Sidious till in the picture'.
Do you know what "pre-established" means? It means it was already set up in a previous film and now it's being used here. Luke is a pre-established character. So is 3P0. Or Leia.
Kylo is new, Hux is new, Poe is new, Finn is new, Rey is new, Maz Kanata is new, Max von Sydow is new, and so far, Snoke is new. Just like how the Emperor was new in ESB, and we didn't have to get a flashback trilogy to his rise to power to buy in to the fact that he ruled the galaxy. It's a space adventure, not a biographical documentary.
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It "should" be? Why? Like, aside from people who don't feel comfortable unless the dozen or so main characters of these films in a vast galaxy are all closely interconnected with each other, why "should" the new villain in the new sequel trilogy have to have been mentioned or used in the last trilogies? Why can't it be a new character who is revealed to the audience to have had a connection to Palpatine?
He could have been the Emperor's accomplice, the Emperor's brother, the Emperor's secret Super Emperor, or the Emperor's other apprentice. Or something. Like, let him have a connection to Palpatine, sure. By why Plagueis specifically? Why MUST it be something we heard in the PT or OT? Why can't he be someone connected to Palpatine or Vader, and still be wholly original in his own right?
Has that already been established in a cross-section or encyclopedia somewhere? That Snoke watched from the shadows the rise and fall of the Empire? If so... ehhhh. Not a fan of that. Too much of the in the SW franchise over the years. The True Sith, the Lost Sith, the One Sith, the Rule of Two, the Vong. Even Thrawn kind of. All in the background biding their time. Overused.
If it's not established, then... not an issue. He's an up-and-comer Dark Overlord who was connected to the Emperor? Or was the leader of a cult of Palpatine worshipers? Iunno. Don't care either, so long as it's handled well. But the weight of it's handling certainly does not require Snoke's origin to have been mentioned in the other films.
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