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How powerful is Kylo Ren? (TFA)
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relentless1
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Id like to know how they changed the physics of a lightsaber??

Also novelizations don't count when the directly contradict the film.... Ren was shit in lightsaber combat, he was pushed to the limit by two people who have never even used that weapon before in their lives lmao

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Not really... there's a reason chewie's bowcaster was shown to be deadly several times in the movie. Kylo was severely injured and still easily beat Finn after he stopped toying with him. And he was beating Rey back until she tapped into the force. I'm not saying that he's a great swordsman, but he isn't bad.

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His training wasn't finished either. He wasn't a highly polished guy yet but as others have pointed on top of that he was injured. Look at the differenc between Luke in ESB to ROTJ. Kylo will be a monster in the next film.


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His training wasn't finished either. He wasn't a highly polished guy yet but as others have pointed on top of that he was injured. Look at the differenc between Luke in ESB to ROTJ. Kylo will be a monster in the next film.
yeah but Luke didn't get defeated by a woman holding a saber for the first time ever.

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yeah but Luke didn't get defeated by a woman holding a saber for the first time ever.

Luke didn't get shot by a weapon that killed multiple stormtroopers with a single blast

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Luke didn't get shot by a weapon that killed multiple stormtroopers with a single blast



Again. Rey overpowered Kylo before that.

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yeah but Luke didn't get defeated by a woman holding a saber for the first time ever.
Luke wasn't shot and didn't have his shoulder grazed by a light saber either. Context. Like is the guy who did nothing after Kylo killed his order. Pussy.


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Again. Rey overpowered Kylo before that.

You're not understanding my point. I'm not saying that Rey isn't powerful, I'm just saying that we can't judge Kylo based off that performance because we don't know exactly how powerful Rey is (she's probably very powerful), and because he was hindered.

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You're not understanding my point. I'm not saying that Rey isn't powerful, I'm just saying that we can't judge Kylo based off that performance because we don't know exactly how powerful Rey is (she's probably very powerful), and because he was hindered.




Okay. But he wasn’t hindered when she beat him in the mind read, which means it all comes down to her being more powerful.

So it’s likely him being injured and toying with Finn simply gave Rey time to access that superior power again but applying it to a Saber fight.

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Nfhd

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Oops^. Here's what I meant to post

Or he was just caught off guard. And even if he wasn't, we still can't judge him based off that because we don't know how powerful Rey is, so what you're saying is irrelevant

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Oops^. Here's what I meant to post

Or he was just caught off guard. And even if he wasn't, we still can't judge him based off that because we don't know how powerful Rey is, so what you're saying is irrelevant



That’s fine, but then no point in keep bringing up that he was injured against Rey. We all know he was injured, but she overpowered him multiple times nonetheless.

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She caught him off guard, he wasn't expecting any resistance and she overpowered him in the duel because of the fact that he was injured. This is why the movie emphasizes the power of Chewie's bowcaster multiple times and shows Kylo punching his wound. They wanted the audience to understand how badly he was injured, and why he lost the fight. And the fact that this is so hard for people to understand baffles me.

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She caught him off guard, he wasn't expecting any resistance .



No, he was clearly unable to read her mind which is why he turns to Snoke hence the line “she’s untrained but more powerful than she knows.

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and she overpowered him in the duel because of the fact that he was injured. fi


That wasn’t the reason shown. Because he was beating her until she realised she can use the Force (shit film), after which she kicked his butt.

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. This is why the movie emphasizes the power of Chewie's bowcaster multiple times and shows Kylo punching his wound. They wanted the audience to understand how badly he was injured, and why he lost the fight.


OR they just used that as a Plot device to give her time to learn to use the Force in combat.


AGAIN she Already overpowered him before being injured.

AGAIN we all know he was injured during the Saber fight. You don’t have to keep telling us that.

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No, he was clearly unable to read her mind which is why he turns to Snoke hence the line “she’s untrained but more powerful than she knows.



That wasn’t the reason shown. Because he was beating her until she realised she can use the Force (shit film), after which she kicked his butt.



OR they just used that as a Plot device to give her time to learn to use the Force in combat.


AGAIN she Already overpowered him before being injured.

AGAIN we all know he was injured during the Saber fight. You don’t have to keep telling us that.

You're still misunderstanding my point. I'm not trying to say that Kylo is more powerful than Rey. My point is that Kylo lost to Rey, despite having more training, due to certain circumstances (his injury and mental state having just killed his father). Or do you believe Rey would have beat him if he was completely healthy?

And you're right, she did legitimatlly resist him. I just rewatched the scene

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Basically what I'm trying to say is that we can't judge Kylo based off of his encounters with Rey, because we don't know how powerful she is.

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Well we can judge he's less powerful than someone like Vader, Dooku, or Maul from that performance.

I agree though for the most part.


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