I'm talking about evidence that RotS Dooku is stronger than S3 Dooku. Quotes that say Dooku improved between AotC and RotS don't *really* specify how much time of the war Dooku improved in, S3 is more than midway through the war because it takes place in 20 BBY, it could very well be that Dooku grew throughout the war but when did his growth stop? 22 BBY? 21 BBY? 20 BBY? Season 6? RotS?
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Not sure how relevant this is, but I think Maul is a hard counter to Savage. When most people are first attacked by Savage they're usually fked by his massive strength, but Maul also due to being extremely strong is able to counter Savage and defeat him easily due to his strength not being a problem for him and his skill far exceeding his.
Yes but weve also seen both Revival Maul and Revival Kenobi stomp Opress. In fact weve seen Dooku stomp Opress 1v1 in their sparring session. I doubt Revival Maul is above TPM Maul given he was still in recovery.
Dooku just seemed to struggle a bit with Opress strength in the 2 on 1, but end of he was still beating them both. And just because he used Lightning, doesnt mean hed be screwed without lightning.
But as Scizard has already mentioned, Maul doesnt seem to have much trouble dealing with Opress strength, and is infinitely more skilled.
Filoni's commentary on that duel is that he doesn't believe that Grievous could ever take out Ventress in a lightsaber fight, but IIRC the same Filoni says that Grievous's most powerful tools are fear and intimidation tactics, and that he'd lose to practically any Jedi if they're not scared of him. Darth Thor do you have a quote for that?
"I still don't believe that, at this point -- one-to-one -- that Grievous could really take out someone like Ventress in a lightsaber fight. I mean, it's just me, but he doesn't have the Force. He can't wield it. I don't see how he can hope to be as proficient as a Jedi or a Sith could be fighting with a lightsaber, which is why he's always willing to dirty play at the end of the day."
"Yeah, it's in the movie. Mace Windu says, "General Grievous will run and hide, as he always does." He's an interesting character for all that thought. And obviously, you know, he's adept at using lightsabers, but I always thought his thing was fear. If you are afraid of the many swirling blades, then you'll parish staring at them. But if you can just focus through it, you can defeat that opponent "
Thanks for providing it. Ha! If we accept Filoni's opinion that Ventress is better than Grievous (which is the only statement supporting her supremacy), then we also have to accept his opinion that Grievous sucks as a duelist, is inferior to any Jedi and Sith and that his use of fear is his saving grace. Filoni's commentary doesn't wank Ventress, it just hurts Grievous.
Honestly, this is a pretty cool throwback to Dooku's commentary on Grievous in the original Clone Wars.
"If you are to succeed in combat against the best of the Jedi, you must have fear, surprise, and intimidation on your side. But if any one element is lacking, it would be best for you to retreat. You must break them before you engage them. Only then will you ensure victory and have your trophy."
Orrr, you could just acknowledge he says "it's just me" meaning the statement doesn't express authorial intent and then just use the actual feat of ventress being able to beat someone shown to be able to beat maul level opponents :/
Now off course you could point out the nexus, but people don't seem to like that for some reason. If you take ventress's win as leigitamte she should be able to beat tpm maul
As for Filonis statement, It clearly shows Directors intent for WHY Ventress beat Grievous. Simply put, the Director feels shes better.
Otherwise if you want to distinguish his opinion from him stating fact, then theres literally zero proof that Rebels Kenobi is > Rebels Maul, given he also stated Kenobis superiority as his opinion. And fact files have confirmed Kenobi caught Maul off guard with Qui-Gons stance.
But you cant just take his opinion as canon when it suits you and as non-canon when it doesnt.
I underlined the part where he states Grievous is adept at using sabers.
So saying he sucks as a duelist clearly isnt what Filoni said.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Jun 11th, 2020 at 12:29 PM
There's a reason why I said Filoni's opinion, the nexus arguments that people have used to salvage Grievous are valid though, because several published sources in Legends identify Dathomir as a Dark Side Nexus, some people don't think that argument is valid because Filoni believes that Grievous can't actually beat Ventress in a fight.
I meant that Filoni's opinion is that Grievous sucks as a deulist in comparison to Jedi and Sith, because he also said he doesn't see how he can hope to be as proficient as a Jedi or Sith in lightsaber combat.
Probably is valid for Legends... But then Ventress didnt even use TK against him so....
Yeah due to them having the Force.
That said, hes clearly a threat to Jedi, even if the threat mostly comes from Fear and Intimidation. And even the Jedi/Sith who handle him usually need to resort to applying TK to do so.
Jun 3rd, 2020 01:22 AM
