The only time ive heard alpha mutants being mentioned was in age of apocalypse. It was used to describe the most powerful mutants. The ones who were top of the hierarchy, the ruling class in AOA because of how powerful they were. So powerful energy wielders and general mutant powerhouses would have made the cut. So no jubilee, Leech, Artie etc.
Omega speaks for potential. Xmen forever spoke of how humanity is the result of experiments the celestials carried out on early lifeforms, on behalf of the abstracts. The reason for these experiments was to ensure that a race of beings would eventually evolve that would surpass and in turn replace all of the abstracts. This would bring about the end of universe. By creating humanity the abstracts are ensuring that the cycle of life continues to revolve. This final state of evolution is phoenix. Its what all humanity will eventually turn into. Thats why Jean as phoenix is called the "ultimate mutation". Those with omega(the last) potential are the ones closest to reaching this final stage of evolution. Whether their potential results in they themselves turning into phoenixes (like Jean and Quentin Quire have) or their descendants doing so, within omega mutants lies the potential to bring about the end. Hence its name.
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ok it's not how "powerful" they are.
Alpha as we all know stands for beginning
Omega stands for END.
(if you don't believe me look it up.. i am the alpha and the omega(the bible.) .. the beginning and the end.)
what they are referring to is the mutant adaptions of their powers.
Alpha mutants would be, apocalypse, xavier, magneto, these types of mutants.. usualy referring to "old" and the most trained and most powerful..
omega usually refers to an end, the final adaptations of the powers.
like for example, say scott were to finally be able to control his optic blasts, and they were eventually mutated in his son to be the most powerful energy blasts and he had complete control over it.
like he could warp the energy to surround his body and protect him and shoot the energy any direction and control it.
he would be an omega level mutant, the end strain of mutation of that type of energy/power.
when they speak of omega level potential, they are referring to the fact that they could eventually learn and harness their power to it's ultimate potential.
Omega is more to do with potential. But because omegas are genetically closer to reaching phoenix potential then the most powerful of their class far exceeds the most powerful alphas if that potential is realised as it has been with jean and quentin quire(kid omega). Alphas are just powerful mutants top of the range but their genetic structure doesnt allow for phoenix potential. For example magnetos an alpha but at the moment he's more powerful than all those officially listed as omega so far(with the exception of jean and quentin). However they could become way more powerful than any alpha.
A lot of these omegas due to being powerful anyway would be classed as alphas but for their geentic potential which seperates them.
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oh yeah, and there are beta and gamma, etc level mutants.
i think in the xavier files, he had every mutant listed as a
level. he started off with saying what level they currently were
and what they could potentially reach.
Xmen forever dealt with what omega actually stands for. It is not to do with an adaptation of their powers. If that was the case then those with secondary mutations would be omegas. That would include the likes of beast, angel and emma frost. Omega is to do with them having being the closest genetically to reaching the stages of the final mutation which is phoenix.
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were kind of saying the same thing, i was referring to energy based mutations, there is a level for physical based mutants like beast and angel and emma that describes them at their final mutation/powers.
But its certainly not omega. Omegas potentials something you're born with. Its not something you can aspire to reach. Its only in recent years that this whole omega thing has really been introduced however Xmen forever featured Jeans psychic essence which travelled back in time to inhabit her body in her marvel girl days. She snuck into Xaviers office and read his files. Xavier had known about omega potential even then and he listed her and iceman as having it. It talked of while beast, angel and cyclops will improve in the use of their abilities, they've basically reached the apex of what their abilities entail. Bear in mind that Beast has had a secondary mutation, his powers have adapted. Omega as i said is not a level to aspire to be its something you're born with.
Alphas are powerful mutants be it inherently or through training. That can be something to be worked up to.
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So basically...
Omega's have within them from birth a genetic potential that far surpasses an Alpha. E.g. Elixir has little training in the use of his powers, Iceman's potential lay dormant for years. There also seems to be some requisite for their powers entailing some manner of manipulation of one or more of thoughts/matter/energy/time/space/reality although I don't know how stringent that is.
However a well trained Alpha may be incredibly powerful but even at the peak of their genetic potential they will still never be near the power levels that are potentially attainable in an Omega. E.g. Xavier is arguably the most skilled mutant in the use of his genetic gifts and he is the most technically skilled telepath, but Quentin Quire as an omega level telepath with little or no training in his genetic gifts surpasses Xavier's peak power levels.
Is that about right?
I perfectly agree on this. And Xavier implied indeed, that Omega goes along with more complex powers, as stated above. So the likes of Storm, Sunfire, Polaris, Hellion etc. might be omegas, while pure powerhouses and ferals like Colossus and Wolverine will certainly be not.
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All the mutants you've mentioned above are to my knowledge alpha mutants. Powerful mutants for sure, among the most powerful on the planet however none of them have omega potential from whats been revealed so far.
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