I'm ready to say that, when given orbalisks, Bane could definitely make Sidious and Yoda work for it as he can match them in speed and power (though he lacks infinitely in skill). But Bane makes it clear in Dynasty of Evil that he had changed fighting style after the orbalisks were gone.
Bane is powerful but not as powerful as Sidious and Yoda. They're both faster by a big degree, much more powerful, and more skilled by a decent amount.
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Last edited by Intrepid37 on Jul 5th, 2013 at 10:44 AM
They aren't faster, by any degree. Bane's feat of blocking the rain is among the fastest feat in the mythos. I disagree with them being much more powerful too, as if they are it does not manifest in their Force powers. Lastly any difference in skill is slight, was Bane was already a master swordsman said to be 'beyond forms' mere months into his training. He's had decades of training since then.
Yes they are. Bane's feat was a prime example of Karpyshan's stupidity. Later on, Cognus (who is featless), managed to track Bane and Zannah's movements. Bane never blitzed Zannah either, which he should have given the speed he demonstrated, and Zannah has never been shown to be extraordinarily fast.
They are much more powerful. Bane's best feat is moving the Tomb of Freedon Nadd and such was done with extreme effort and exhaustion. Without any effort, Sidious pinned Savage and Maul against a wall, both of whom (especially Maul) matches Bane in power.
Skill, there's still a big difference. The statement you refer to was Kas'im's own statement. In Dynasty of Evil, although Bane was winning against Zannah, she tried to exhaust him and never intended to win by dueling. Zannah is not very skilled to be honest.
Cognus had Force potential equal to Zannah and Bane's. Just as Bane did before he received training, its understandable that Cognus' perceptions could be enhanced. Bane failing to blitz Zannah only speaks to her own speed and impeccable defense. She's as powerful as Bane, its logical that she wouldn't be too far off him in terms of speed. Bane has blitzed less powerful opponents, just as Yoda and Sidious have. He did so to the Assassins who attacked him and would have done the same against the strike team were it not for Battle Meditation speeding them up and slowing him down. Either way, you cannot ignore his rain feat as it suits you.
WTF? Savage and Maul match Bane in power? Are you high? Bane can disintegrate a dozen attackers with a wave of his hand, reduce humans to dust and a drexl (comparable in size to a Krayt Dragon) to a charred, smoking husk with his lightning (Maul and Savage are crap at lightning by the way) and tear through the Force Shields of Sith Lords like paper. You're a fool if you think Sidious and Yoda eclipse him in power. Sidous may have overpowered Savage and Maul, but Bane disintegrating 12 technobeats is not far off that, nor is him overpowering 4 Sith Assassins at once in RoT.
In your opinion there is. As we've seen, its a rather uninformed one. Whereas Kas'im is one of the greatest lightsaber duelists in terms of technical skill in the mythos. His opinion is rather big. If he considers Bane a master swordsman after mere months of training, I shudder to imagine how skilled Bane would be after decades of training, 3 holocrons and his prodigious learning rate. Oh and proof that Zannah is unskilled?
''Could'' is the keyword here. You'll have to prove that it'd be enhanced by a ridiculous degree.
Not really. You can't make up Zannah's speed as it suits you just so it suits the logic of Bane's rain feat.
Sure I can. Bane's best feat with orbalisks is looking to wield 12 sabers:
She fell into a defensive posture as she so often had during their training sessions. But this was no drill, and her Master came at her with a speed and ferocity she had never faced before. Giving in to his orbalisk-fueled bloodrage, he was like a wild animal, raining savage blows down on her from all angles, the strikes coming so fast it seemed as if he wielded a dozen blades at the same time. Zannah fell into a full retreat, desperately giving ground beneath the overwhelming assault.
-Rule of Two
Bane's rain feat:
Feeling a blast of cold wind blow in, he crouched low and opened himself up to the Force, letting it flow through him. Drawing on it to extend his awareness out to encompass each individual bead of rain as it fell from the sky, he resolved not to let a single drop touch his exposed flesh. He could sense the power of the dark side building inside him. It began, as it always did, with a faint spark, a tiny flicker of light and heat. Muscles tense and coiled in anticipation, he fed the spark, fueling it with his own passion, letting his anger and fury transform the flame into an inferno waiting to be unleashed. As the first fat drops splattered onto the patio stones around him, Bane exploded into action. Abandoning the overpowering style of Djem So, he shifted to the quicker sequences of Soresu, his lightsaber tracing tight circles above his head in a series of movements designed to intercept enemy blaster bolts. The wind rose to a howling gale, and the scattered drops quickly became a downpour. His body and mind united as one, he channeled the infinite power of the Force against the driving rain. Tiny clouds of hissing steam formed as his blade picked off the descending drops while Bane twisted, twirled, and contorted his body to evade those few that managed to slip through his defenses. For the next ten minutes he battled the pelting storm, reveling in the power of the dark side. And then, as suddenly as it had begun, the tempest was gone, the dark cloud scurrying away on the breeze. Breathing hard, Bane extinguished his lightsaber. His skin was sheened in sweat, but not a single drop of rain had touched his bare flesh.
Bane's feat in DoE is clearly better than his in RoT, this despite being slower than in RoT:
He leapt high in the air, his lightsaber arcing above his head before chopping straight down in a blow powerful enough to cleave an enemy in two. His feet hit the hard surface of the courtyard stones with a sharp, sudden smack as he landed. Bane still moved with fierce grace and terrifying intensity. His lightsaber still flickered with blinding speed as he performed his martial drills, yet it was the merest fraction slower than it had once been.
The aging process was subtle, but inescapable.
There's a reason why this one feat stands out. Otherwise, why did he not demonstrate such speed in his duel with Zannah? Or just in general?
Read the title: Dynasty of Evil Bane, not Rule of Two Bane.
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I never said Bane wasn't skilled. But the opinion of a battlemaster and decades of training should not put him on Sidious' and Yoda's tier.
It is in the aspect of skill where Bane is closest to them though.
She has never beaten anyone of merit and has only hyperbolic statements?
Last edited by Intrepid37 on Jul 5th, 2013 at 05:33 PM
I agree with Nephthys to an extent. I don't believe that Bane (DoE) is capable of fighting Yoda or Sidious as an equal, however, I sincerely doubt that Anakin could annihilate him at any point during his lifetime.
However, I think I am leaning towards Anakin's victory here. I mean, Force-Wise? Bane's best non-Orbalisk TK feats are:
1. Telekinetically Choking out Quordis
2. Lifting the Boulder Blocking off Freedon Nadd's tomb
3. Using a Force Wave that destroyed a pillar in the Temple of Ancients, causing it to collapse.
All of these feats are extraordinary, and really shouldn't be lowballed. However, Anakin has replicated similar Telekinetic Aptitude:
^3:48 - 4:10^ Anakin hurls a large Stone Statue and then immediately after begins fighting Jedi again.
2. Anakin also resists all types of Telekinetic Assault from Dooku in RotS.
While Bane *might* be Anakin's superior with Telekinesis, it's only due to superior experience with the Dark Side, not in a competition of raw ability with it.
As for the rest of Bane's Force Powers, while they certainly will come into play, I doubt they'll have a huge impact on the fight. Despite the power of Bane's Force Lightning, Anakin could stop it with his lightsaber, though with difficulty I admit. And Bane isn't using a powerful scale Death Field without Andeddu's keep in this fight, so we can forget about that.
Nevertheless, Bane is Anakin's superior with the Force, but you'd be suprised to see that it's not by as much as you may think. Anakin is really underrated when it comes to Force Ability.
As for skills with a lightsaber, post-Orbalisks Bane relied on what seems to be a combination of Makashi and Juyo to meet his ends, and was able in PoD to compete with Sith Bladesmaster Kas'im in a duel, which is no light feat. However, let's not forget that Anakin has dueled, overpowered, and defeated Dooku in a lightsaber duel:
^2:05 - 2:21^ Anakin, through his fury, overpowered and defeated Count Dooku, who is a duelist who can compare to Yoda in level of skill, per AOTC.
As for physical traits that may aid in this battle, Bane was immensely strong and fast, being a former miner, he's ripped. And through the Force he was able to enhance his speed to the level of deflecting torrents of rain with his lightsaber.
However, that being said the likes of Jedi Master Saesee Tiin was able to create a shield from his lightsaber movements, and Anakin completely out-speeded Drallig who is on the same level. (I wouldn't call it a blitz, but...) There's also the case that in the RotS novel it states that Anakin, among the Jedi of the generation, was the strongest, the fastest, and the best at what he does*. Meaning physically he is also a superbeast. I doubt either fighter could get an advantage from these traits.
Honestly I really do wanna say Bane wins through the use of his higher-variety of Force Powers, but at best I could really only call this a draw without Bane's Orbalisk armor.
I'm voting Anakin.
EDIT: There's also the possibility that Anakin would make a mistake on the basis of overwhelming arrogance that may give Bane the edge in this battle. Of course Anakin can't do something stupid in every battle, but it helps out Bane's chances.
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Last edited by NewGuy01 on Jul 5th, 2013 at 05:24 PM
Zannah was still growing in power when he had the Obelisks. How does Zannah react and parry when he's wielding 12 blades? He was also amped by the Obelisks.
Bane is more adept in the use of the Force then Anakin (ROTS) and he managed to counter Kas'im's blitz attack which is very impressive feat. Bane is more likely to win in this contest then otherwise.
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What is so funny about Kas'im's dueling skills? He is arguably among the most skilled duelists in the mythos. Bane managing to duel him for a while is an indication of his impressive dueling skills and command of the Force. The fight itself is an example of an individual managing to defeat a relatively superior duelist with superior understanding of the Force; the fight offers valuable hints about science behind the combat prowess of Force-users.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Jul 5th, 2013 at 07:02 PM
He's mastered all the forms, basically all the different lightsaber types and even created thousands of sequences for all of them. Who the hell displays a greater technical knowledge and deeper insight into lightsaber combat than him. Let me guess, its Savage and Maul again, right?
Jul 5th, 2013 07:30 AM
