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Who is more feared among their own troops ?
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Who is more feared among their own troops ?

Rank them in order of most feared to least feared.


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Voldermort's last. IRRC, the other didn't have people working against them in their ranks.

Bavmorda is probably second to last, as her daughter turned against her in the end.

I've only seen SWatH once and it's a blur.

Sauron is easily at the top, largest army at his command; they all feared him, even without a body.

So:

Sauron
Ravenna(could change)
Bravmorda
Voldermort


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Voldermort's last. IRRC, the other didn't have people working against them in their ranks.

Bavmorda is probably second to last, as her daughter turned against her in the end.

I've only seen SWatH once and it's a blur.

Sauron is easily at the top, largest army at his command; they all feared him, even without a body.

So:

Sauron
Ravenna(could change)
Bravmorda
Voldermort
We see here someone openly make demands of Sauron right to his face. That's disrespectful right to his face.


57 seconds in.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWRO0uP6aAs


We see Snape look quite frightened and just let Voldemort kill him. That's true fear. He wouldn't even openly defy him and did so in secrecy after he killed the love of his life, Harry's mother.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8cL527bg0II


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Originally posted by quanchi112
We see here someone openly make demands of Sauron right to his face. That's disrespectful right to his face.


57 seconds in.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWRO0uP6aAs


We see Snape look quite frightened and just let Voldemort kill him. That's true fear. He wouldn't even openly defy him and did so in secrecy after he killed the love of his life, Harry's mother.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8cL527bg0II


'Openly make demands' != 'Reaffirming the promise that Sauron renegged'. In any case, Sauron's command over the orc armies (which are explicitly driven by his will) and his absolute dominance over the Nine > Voldemort by miles.


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'Openly make demands' != 'Reaffirming the promise that Sauron renegged'. In any case, Sauron's command over the orc armies (which are explicitly driven by his will) and his absolute dominance over the Nine > Voldemort by miles.
He has power over the nine due to the rings dominion over the other rings and mans lust for power. The orcs are simple minded barbarians. Acting as if thinking or intelligence is their strength is just being a tad silly.

Demanding to know about Oakenshield isn't something you do when you're scared shitless. Here I will show you what it looks like to be scared shitless of Voldemort.

No one questions him or makes demands of him.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yj2aSy1Zen4


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He has power over the nine due to the rings dominion over the other rings and mans lust for power. The orcs are simple minded barbarians. Acting as if thinking or intelligence is their strength is just being a tad silly.

Demanding to know about Oakenshield isn't something you do when you're scared shitless. Here I will show you what it looks like to be scared shitless of Voldemort.

No one questions him or makes demands of him.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yj2aSy1Zen4


And people in Middle-earth are generally afraid to utter Sauron's name unless they are wizards or elflords. When he appeared at the Siege of Barad-Dur, entire armies shit their pants. And that was before he started smacking them around like flies.

Saruman, the most powerful Ishtari in Middle-earth at the time, was balls-out afraid of Sauron and knew without the Ring he couldn't stand a chance. Sauron was able to put mortal fear into Pippin in a few seconds' time using a palantir.

Really, the list goes on and on. Just saying some wizards feared Voldemort doesn't impress anyone, when Voldemort didn't field elite mooks in the thousands.


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And people in Middle-earth are generally afraid to utter Sauron's name unless they are wizards or elflords. When he appeared at the Siege of Barad-Dur, entire armies shit their pants. And that was before he started smacking them around like flies.

Saruman, the most powerful Ishtari in Middle-earth at the time, was balls-out afraid of Sauron and knew without the Ring he couldn't stand a chance. Sauron was able to put mortal fear into Pippin in a few seconds' time using a palantir.

Really, the list goes on and on. Just saying some wizards feared Voldemort doesn't impress anyone, when Voldemort didn't field elite mooks in the thousands.
People say his name all the time. People were scared shitless to speak Voldemort's name by the way.

Yes, people were scared but he was defeated in less than a minute so the fear didn't last that long. laughing out loud

Saruman was absolutely destroyed by Gandalf the White in embarrassing fashion. Saruman was not impressive in the least. Tk pushes, a possession, and a fireball. He's a peasant in the VoldeVerse.

Voldemort's troops were scared shitless whereas Sauron's general made open demands without batting an eyelash. The same guy who was destroyed by a dwarf in battle and was carted off to safety while screaming like a woman.

Thats Sauron's general who openly demanded the dwarf right to him. Voldemort elicits far more fear from his troops.


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So it' settled, Sauron with his dominion over hundreds of thousands is #1 and Voldermort who had a handful by comparison of minions and even double-agents in his ranks is at the bottom.

Revenna is still likely in 2nd place; with Bravmorda in 3rd, since her daughter turned against her in the end.


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So it' settle, Sauron with his dominion over hundreds of thousands is #1 and Voldermort who had a handful by comparison of minions and even double-agents in his ranks is at the bottom.

Revenna is still likely in 2nd place; with Bravmorda in 3rd, since her daughter turned against her in the end.
Scope doesn't prove anything. Sauron had more troops and still lost. Sauron's dwarf beaten general demanded Oakenshield from him.

People were openly quivering in Voldemort's presence. You didn't even respond to my evidence no doubt due to your lack of debating skill.


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Scope doesn't prove anything. Sauron had more troops and still lost. Sauron's dwarf beaten general demanded Oakenshield from him.

People were openly quivering in Voldemort's presence. You didn't even respond to my evidence no doubt due to your lack of debating skill.



Wrong. Just deal that Sauron had vast armies of beings who feared him and an entire world that feared him.

Voldermort had a handful of underlings by comparison and dissention in his own ranks. Your "evidence" wasn't evidence, you didn't understand that Sauron plays people; not my fault you didn't get it.

You won't deal with it, so do more flips. Threads over though.


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Wrong. Just deal that Sauron had vast armies of beings who feared him and an entire world that feared him.

Voldermort had a handful of underlings by comparison and dissention in his own ranks. Your "evidence" wasn't evidence, you didn't understand that Sauron plays people; not my fault you didn't get it.
His general didn't fear him. This isn't about who was numerically more feared it has to do with their own troops. If the general doesn't fear you that is pretty bad.

Snape let himself die to the guy who killed his lifelong love. That's fear. Look at his face when he is talking to Voldemort. He also allowed his friend at Hogwarts to be butchered by Voldemort right in front of him.

His troops were scared shitless unlike where is Oakenshield type stuff from his general.

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Sauron. No question.

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His general didn't fear him. This isn't about who was numerically more feared it has to do with their own troops. If the general doesn't fear you that is pretty bad.

Snape let himself die to the guy who killed his lifelong love. That's fear. Look at his face when he is talking to Voldemort. He also allowed his friend at Hogwarts to be butchered by Voldemort right in front of him.

His troops were scared shitless unlike where is Oakenshield type stuff from his general.

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You not understanding the film and the conversation between Azog and Sauron isn't my problem.

Dissention in your troops is just that; which Voldermort had. Add to the fact that Voldermort had a much smaller army than Sauron, it's evident who has more fear/dominance over their troops.

eg Having an army of 10 guys and having 1 not fear you is much worse than having an army of 10,000 and having 3 not fear you in terms of "who is more feared". You can't deal with these facts, so you'll do more flips smile


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Sauron. No question.



http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWRO0uP6aAs

^^^57 seconds in.

41-43 seconds in here. Just a glance has him shitting his pants and looking away.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X34HPAxlyd8


Look at the difference here.


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You not understanding the film and the conversation between Azog and Sauron isn't my problem.

Dissention in your troops is just that; which Voldermort had. Add to the fact that Voldermort had a much smaller army than Sauron, it's evident who has more fear/dominance over their troops.

eg Having an army of 10 guys and having 1 not fear you is much worse than having an army of 10,000 and having 3 not fear you in terms of "who is more feared". You can't deal with these facts, so you'll do more flips smile
I understand the lack of fear. It is more of those lets work together to achieve our goals type relationship. In the Voldemort scenes people look away just by the manner in which he looks at them.


There were less wizards than orcs. Orcs were stupid, simple minded barabarians.

This isn't about a numerical advantage it is about the general level of fear induced into your own men. Sauron's general made demands of him whereas people wouldn't even look Voldemort in the eyes if he was slightly annoyed.


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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWRO0uP6aAs

^^^57 seconds in.

41-43 seconds in here. Just a glance has him shitting his pants and looking away.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X34HPAxlyd8


Look at the difference here.
Two videos posted.

Who looks more scared ?

I love it when you avoid evidence or debating in general.


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Pale Orc to Sauron, "You promised me his head."

/debate.

Voldemort wins.


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Among their own troops then its:

Sauron
Ravenna
Bavmorda
Voldemort

Not really fair though. Sauron had dumb orcs for troops and enchanted witch kings. Obviously would have the most control over his troops.

Ravenna had no opposition among her troops. Barvmorda had her daughter. And Voldemort had numberous squabbling among his underdogs. A traitor was even able to manipulate him.

Now if the question was who was more feared by their enemies, then the ranking would be:

Sauron
Voldemort
Bavmorda
Ravenna


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Voldemort's followers were so afraid of him that when Harry came "back to life" they began deserting right in Voldy's face....

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