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Invisible Hand Anakin vs Exar Kun
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Invisible Hand Anakin vs Exar Kun

Let's say Anakin walks into the same situation as he did in RotS, expecting to find himself battling Dooku and saving Palpatine, except:

1. Obi-Wan is not backing him up.
2. Palpatine is not there.
3. He finds prime Exar Kun instead.

They begin fighting. Who wins?

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Kun wins with a single force attack.

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If Anakin is serious from the beginning he curbstomps Exar.


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In this scenario, Anakin walks in on an opponent that's had prep time. Kun charges up a force blast whilst Anakin is cutting up droids, and just as he gets through the door, Kun incinerates him.

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You don't know what the context is. If Exar Kun were there the whole time charging a force blast, Anakin would've sensed him.


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He's going to sense Kun charging up a force blast? Doubtful. No doubt he senses someone, but he isn't going to have the luxury of strolling through the door to an opponent like Dooku, who isn't allowed to kill him. If this is the same scenario as RotS, Kun knows Skywalker is coming and one-shots him.

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He noted specifically that he sensed Count Dooku in RotS, and Jedi can definitely sense when Force users are charging up an attack apparently powerful enough to oneshot Anakin.


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Then he's not going to have a hope of defending against a blast capable of ripping apart massive Sith Wyrms.

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Kun isn't pre-charging any attacks or spells in this fight.

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Anakin has plenty of quotes from multiple sources putting him in Yoda's tier.


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Context is important thumb up

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George Lucas disagrees regardless.

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abandon fight chingchang, you are outmatched

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George Lucas disagrees regardless.

Lucas has Anakin on par with Sidios in the Force and comparable/greater in lightsabers, lmao.


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Context is important thumb up


Context? Let's just look at two from Nova's respect thread:

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Gillard also reports that the duel will explain how Obi-Wan is able to defeat his protege, even though Anakin has been established as the most powerful Jedi who ever lived.

- The Making of Revenge of the Sith

Combative context.

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"Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and he is still getting stronger."

- Revenge of the Sith novelization

Clearly not talking about potential, given the "arguably" qualifier and "still getting stronger".

Now you could argue that Exar Kun wins through greater mastery, sorcery, or something, but you'd have quite the steep hill to climb because we're talking about an absolutely astronomical gap in actualized power (given that Exar Kun is far below SF Malak). Anakin has far better dueling feats, and Exar Kun hasn't actually done much with his sorcery or force abilities off-nexus against well-established characters. I'm inclined to take Skywalker, then, on his far greater raw power and established combat feats, which include absolutely tooling Dooku in a matter of seconds where the Sith Lord couldn't do anything and was basically described by Stover as being helpless in every possible way.


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exar has like 12 feats each where if anakin did just one the anakin brigade would spend the next 7 months wanking it and saying this proves he's gillard tier 123

imagine if anakin ripped apart a wyrm, froze an entire senate in stasis or did what exar did in DE


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I was curious how well Kun might fare on account of his sorcery and the fact Anakin's Dooku-stomping catalyst (Palpatine) now isn't here to spur him on.

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He's going to sense Kun charging up a force blast? Doubtful. No doubt he senses someone, but he isn't going to have the luxury of strolling through the door to an opponent like Dooku, who isn't allowed to kill him. If this is the same scenario as RotS, Kun knows Skywalker is coming and one-shots him.

Anakin won't be sensing Kun's blast? (please log in to view the image)

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I was curious how well Kun might fare on account of his sorcery and the fact Anakin's Dooku-stomping catalyst (Palpatine) now isn't here to spur him on.

Anakin almost three-shotted Dooku even before Palpatine intervened.


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Context? Let's just look at two from Nova's respect thread:


- The Making of Revenge of the Sith

Combative context.


- Revenge of the Sith novelization

Clearly not talking about potential, given the "arguably" qualifier and "still getting stronger".

Now you could argue that Exar Kun wins through greater mastery, sorcery, or something, but you'd have quite the steep hill to climb because we're talking about an absolutely astronomical gap in actualized power (given that Exar Kun is far below SF Malak). Anakin has far better dueling feats, and Exar Kun hasn't actually done much with his sorcery or force abilities off-nexus against well-established characters. I'm inclined to take Skywalker, then, on his far greater raw power and established combat feats, which include absolutely tooling Dooku in a matter of seconds where the Sith Lord couldn't do anything and was basically described by Stover as being helpless in every possible way.


Thanks for already pointing out the 'arguably.' It may be argued that Anakin's the most powerful Jedi who ever lived, but based on all available evidence, I don't think that's true. George's quote claiming that you need to be Yoda or Mace to compete with the Emperor, with Anakin having his chance to do so some time in the future, is telling. There's also Sidious telling Yoda: "Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us." Obviously pointing to superiority in the future. If Malak is above Kun, then Malak is above Anakin.

Anakin's better duelling feats are what? Regarding Dooku, this is after the Count had been duelling both Kenobi and Anakin and was exhausted, whilst Anakin was "getting stronger." So he has superior stamina to Dooku when he draws on his rage? This is the point you're going with to prove superiority to Kun, who can stalemate the greatest Jedi of his era potentially *for hours*?

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