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finti
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Drink and drive? not in Norway You get, if caught, two years suspension on your license, one months wage in fine(regardles what you earn, the more the biiger the fine) then you get to spend three weeks in jail. So in fact you looses almost two months pay. This is not the reason why I dont drink and drive. You are a treath to other peoples lives if you drink and drive this is not an opption for me.
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Jun 19th, 2001 08:34 PM |
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keokiswahine
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wow, such strict laws!!!  Do they enforce the law there? some places have laws, but are kinda lax in enforcing them. 
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Jun 20th, 2001 08:27 AM |
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finti
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They look very serious on drinking and driving in Norway and they do enforce the laws. The police are always out on controls during weekends and holidays like easter and christmas.
I dont think the laws are strict enough in Norway though, maybe for drunk drivers.
We had this case were two girls, 10 & 8 years, were raped and murdered by two friends on 20&21. They got convicted to maximum punishment; 21 years in prison with 10 years safety afterwards. Such a shame 
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Jun 20th, 2001 11:41 AM |
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Gundark
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What's "10 years safety", finti ?
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Jun 20th, 2001 02:55 PM |
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finti
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You are under observation and are not allowed to move freely around the country. If you want to travell to a different city you have to apply so action can be taken for the observation. More like parole I think
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Jun 20th, 2001 03:24 PM |
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Gundark
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Yes it is like parole. Safety just sounds too nice of a word though.
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Jun 20th, 2001 03:29 PM |
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finti
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Keep those two alive is to nice
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Jun 20th, 2001 03:39 PM |
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Gundark
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Throw em' in the chair and hit the switch.
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Jun 20th, 2001 06:35 PM |
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keokiswahine
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cannot post my thoughts in public; I would be banned.
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Jun 20th, 2001 08:17 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Sorry, massively against the death penalty regardless of cirsumstance.
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Jun 20th, 2001 11:25 PM |
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Ratcat
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Yeah, I mean it is such a good idea to keep murderers locked up at the expence of the tax payer.
I know there is the arguement that some people are proven innocent after they have gone to the chair and stuff but if there is no shadow of doubt then I say rack em and zap em!
Watches can of worms spill out all over the place.
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Jun 21st, 2001 01:06 PM |
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finti
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I go with that
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Jun 21st, 2001 01:10 PM |
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Gundark
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And I see you've opened the deluxe can at that.
Actually I think the punishment should fit the crime. eye for eye. But that'll never happen. Not until the dawn of the Mad Max age.
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Jun 21st, 2001 10:51 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Consideration of innocence is not my view. People like my parents fought hard to get the death penalty removed purely on the point that it was wrong, not that convictions might be mistaken (which is still always a possbility). Judicial murder is still murder; we still have no right to say that they cannot live no matter what they have done- EVERYONE has the right to life, even the most hardened and vicious and evil criminal. And much as I don't like the taxpayer having to pay for keeping them locked up I hardly think killing them off to save that is any way to behave.
All the death penalty does is show that we can kill as well. I refuse to go to their level and I am proud that it is virtually extinct in Europe.
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Jun 21st, 2001 11:16 PM |
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keokiswahine
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RC, I understand it costs $44,000 USD a year to house a regular convict in prison. Twice the amount if a higher security risk, or on death row.
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Jun 22nd, 2001 11:36 AM |
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finti
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I wish Norway got death penalty back, the crime rate would drop like well drop.
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Jun 22nd, 2001 11:48 AM |
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Gundark
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OMG !!!! Edna & Ush are agreeing on something. She truly is magical !!!!!!!!
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Jun 22nd, 2001 06:32 PM |
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Ushgarak
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I also understand, Keo, that the lengthy appelas system and other time spent in court jacks up the cost of an executed prisoner an enormous amount.
Even if it was cheaper, so few ever face the death sentence that any savings made would be the tiniest, tiniest fraction.
As it is, I think (and I seem to remember that most States agree) that the Death penalty costs money.
Most of my info here is based on a BBC documentary from a few months back.
Thanks, Edna.
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Jun 22nd, 2001 11:25 PM |
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Edna Witch
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Well even if they are murderers then I don't believe we have the right to decide when their life should end. If we do, then in effect we are just as bad as the murderers themselves. Nope anti-death penalty, me! Have to agree with Ush on this one.
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Jun 23rd, 2001 04:07 AM |
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keokiswahine
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Right, Ush; our appeals system goes for years and years, and drives the costs higher.
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