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COmputers need electrictiy to function. That does niot make them alive. Needing something to function does not cause life, your aegument is flawed.
You also violently reject my toaster point without explaining why not. My point is that neoither is alive and anyone with sense will know that., No difference, no matter how human looking the droid is.
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And, yerss, I know you said that droids were not the same as human. But you DID suggest in the past that Jedi shoudl feel sorry cutting a droid in half. Now, why would they have to be sorry for destroying a fridge, a toaster, a computer or a droid if they are not like living creatures?
the simple answer to this argument is that r2 and 3po are baically droids just like the trade federation droids although much more popular characters, i'm sure Luke would be pissed off he accidently killed one of them, look at his concern for r2 at the end of anh.
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Actually, humans don't really know that UNTIL it is taught to them... This is what AI developers are trying to build into the latest AI systems.
However, "shades of grey" is really only a statement of what happens when there are so many yes's and so many no's and you're trying to reconcile them... The human brain only knows two things fundimentally, YES and NO, however it is so complex that it is able to take that massive amount of YES and NO and turn it into thought...
if you notice during the whole of the film, the battle droids only respond to commands, i.e "process them", "tahe him away", "destroy what is left" that is surely why it was important to destroy the command ship so that no more commands could be given, the only intelligence a battle droid has is the inteligence to leave its transmitors on so that it can recieve the orders it requires to work.
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Registered: Sep 2000
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I keep saying- it doesn't matter how much Battle Droids mimic humans; at their fundamental level they are no more than non-living, non-sentient machines, and it is the fundamental level that counts when it comes to wandering about the psychological effects of destroying them.
Destroying a human shaped (or even vaguely human behaved) object does not make you more likely to kill humans. Such a contentious point would at least need a lot of proof before I could believe it.
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how about when training to fight in a war, soldiers attack sacks of hay or scarecrows in preperation for killing real humans, GOD, think about the pain sacks of hay must feel when they got stabbed by a bayonet or shot, a battle droid may as well be a sack of hay without the command ship to provide commands. also the Jedi only attackt the droids after the jedi have been attacked first themselves, the battle droids will say something like "you're under arrest" "blast them", i'm sure if it was a human attacking them, like in rotj the Jedi wouldn't hesitate to defend themselves.
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It foesn't matter how much they RESEMBLE humans! Destroying human-like objects is the same as destroying any piece of hardware. Only whether they are truly alive counts.
Unless a person is mentally unstable enough to become as comfortable with destroying humans as he is with droids, I really don;t see this syndrome at all. And DEFINITELY not for the Jedi, who have theor heads screwed on tight and have a good idea about what is and isn't alive. They could destroy a billion battle droids and still be no more preapred to destroy a living thing.
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Actually, there are VERY few examples of Fallen Jedi, the fact that the vast majority of the organisation stay on the Light Side despite constantly facing danger and combat and difficult moral situations rather goes to show something, yeah?
And Yerssot, no it is NOT about how they look, it is about how they ARE. How can you possibly support such a superficial view of the psychological nature of killing? The effort to destroy a non-living object, even one that vaguely resembles a human, is completely different to the effort needed to kill a human, or other living thing. Practicing one will in no way help you with the other. Actually extinguishing a life is conceptually different. The ONLY way you can practice for it; become more likely to do it; is to DO it. No substitute will work.
So, no matter HOW much the Battle Droids resemble humans, the destruction of them is only equivalent to destroying a machine, and it will not make you more likely to kill living things.
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