I think that Neo touched the source by being granted what we know as super-user or root permissions on the matrix system. This happened when Neo left the matrix when he visited the architect.
How Neo left the matrix in a consolidated summery:
When Neo used the key the keymaker gave him, he exited the program of the matrix, but not the machine's computer network. Think of it like the internet and a unix server:
root at console access --> root at network access --> shell access with root permissions --> network user interface with extended permissions --> network user interface
The people inside the matrix are at user level. Any reprogramming of the matrix does not affect them because the program is running on a buffer allowing for real time reprogramming.
Neo gained extended permissions to control the behavior of the matrix in M1 when he realized that the machines could not kill him inside the matrix unless he believed they could. He can move as fast as they do because his mind is limited only by how fast his neurons fire, not by the limitations of physics.
By unlocking the door to visit the architect Neo, in effect, exited the matrix program in his user session. That would be like telnetting to port 71 on a webserver, crashing it causing it to reboot giving you full root permissions. You can manipulate at the root level but you are not at the root level.
This is as far as we've reached in the first two movies. Neo opted to return to the matrix, instead of trying to gain full root access. Perhaps he feels there is a better way to gain root? Or maybe he is going to attempt to gain console access??
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Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you could not wake from that dream?
Who has the time? But then we can never have time if we never take time!
The oracle is a program written by the machine world. Why would the machines prophesize an end to the war then?? Maybe simply to help motivate the one to do whats he's meant to do. Im thinking the prophesy was a lie, to guide the one down his path, but might ironically come true the 6th time around.
the prophecy is true... its just twisted... the oracle said to end the war... she never stated that the humans would win. whatever u want to call it war of the matrix 6 is going to end by neo touching the source it will be over. then matrix war 7 will start and the prophecy will be given again. also the matrix is reloaded which means matrix 6 ends and over 100 years im sure that destructed could be a word that the humans believed rather than something else. the prophecy is true depending how you look at it through the machines eyes it is true the war ends and the matrix ( the 6th one ) is destroyed. what i believe is happening is neo's written path of being "the one" has ended but he is now starting a new path and is going to attempt to end the war and win for humans which was never prophesied
I don't think it could be anything but a lie. The war never ends, it just finds new recruits to fight it. The one born inside is only an anomaly so he's bound to be born again - thus the reason he is ever able to prophesize that he will be born again! And no body is every really free, it's just another control.
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You didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it! You're only here to understand why you made it. I would've thought you'd have figured that out by now.
Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you could not wake from that dream?
Who has the time? But then we can never have time if we never take time!
the machines are to perfect to lie... i don't think they are lieing... the war is not the same war it is a different war with different humans fighting it. each time the different humans could choose to fight in different styles and so on and so on. the prophecy says and "end to the war" the war for those people is over and then a new war beings with new people. the people who die in zion see the end to there war its over
The machines are to perfect to lie? LoL Are we watching the same movie? The entire premise is that everything they believe is a lie! For more info read Descartes book Meditations. It's a book of philosophy that the matrix has much to do with and is quoted on whatisthematrix-com in their philosophy section. Deception is their perfect tool because it keeps us at bay.
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You didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it! You're only here to understand why you made it. I would've thought you'd have figured that out by now.
Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you could not wake from that dream?
Who has the time? But then we can never have time if we never take time!
the prophecy is false plain and simple.. a statement cant be true if it isnt 100% true.. the prophecy can be beant around and parts are true but the base line is that it was a lie
perhaps you guys are missing something obvious (pardon my absence, btw). perhaps the prophecy hasn't been completed.... yet. it says that neo touching the source will HAIL the end of the war, and the freedom of the people. Not that it would happen immediately.
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True, but then you have to believe that the Oracle is completely unaware of what happens when you visit the architect - which would disclude her as the mother, for one.
Second, the architect explains the purpose of Neo being there, and how the whole scenario is based upon the prediction that one would sacrifce a few for the whole since that's what the fight is all about to begin with.
Now I think that we've determined that Neo has, indeed, touched the source. I also think that, from the Oracle's avoidence of stating that she is helping, and implying that she is just a form of control by only ever saying "We are all here to do what we are all here to do." - it should be safe to assume that she is the mother of the matrix. She's been around since the beginning, and she's helping lead Neo to create a new "beginning." The previous anomalies would have led the people they released to her in hopes that they could save the race from the matrix at some point. She is also the only intuitive program we've me.
But the other side of your theory can work with mine...(please read my other posts, I don't wanna explain that all again!! ) All of the previous anomalies never took the door Neo did, so it is possible that Neo has more capabilities because of this.
We shall see in 6 days 7 hours and 45 minutes.
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You didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it! You're only here to understand why you made it. I would've thought you'd have figured that out by now.
Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you could not wake from that dream?
Who has the time? But then we can never have time if we never take time!
the prophecy meant then.. but we can look at it like this... the prophecy is different and it was for THE ONE not each anomaly.. where neo is an anomaly like the others he is the THE ONE who ends the war and fullfils the prophecy.. which like icon said may still occur..
**** i dont believe i just wrote that... the prophecy cant be fullfilled.. because the matrix will not be destroyed.. he may free his people and free people in the matrix from control... which destroys the idea of the matrix but doesnt destroy the matrix itself
Now you're going back and forth! Anything's possible, but the prophecy would be the same for each anomaly if it were a system of control, which is strongly suggested in reloaded. I don't see any other way around that problem. The only thing different this time is the door that the anomaly chooses, which could make all the difference. Otherwise - there is nothing to suggest that Neo is any different than any other one of the anomalies. Even the Merovingian comments on surviving Neo's predecessors - which implies that they all went through this before.
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You didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it! You're only here to understand why you made it. I would've thought you'd have figured that out by now.
Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you could not wake from that dream?
Who has the time? But then we can never have time if we never take time!
neo is different though.. weve seen he is.. the prophecy is the same for the other ones.. they just didnt fullfill it because they were like woah i should save eveyrone.. but keanu was like **** u machines im really going to save everyone
Isn't that what I just said? All the one's before him made the opposite choice of what he did, believing it would lead to their extinction if they did. That is the only difference. Only, Neo doesn't know if he can save them, only that the other way has not worked for possibly 600 years or more (he is the 6th, 100 years between each...)
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You didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it! You're only here to understand why you made it. I would've thought you'd have figured that out by now.
Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you could not wake from that dream?
Who has the time? But then we can never have time if we never take time!
The prophecy is true just not complete. He was meant to each the source and has.. now that he is there he has taken what was needed from the source and will return to the matrix to end the war. that is why he had that power to feel the sentinels at the end of reloaded. all the other "ones" were to attached to the human race to do what neo is doing. he doesn't care about the humans, he cares about trinity and will do whatever he needs to do to save her life. neo completely understood what the kfc guy was talking about (which i still haven't despite seeing the movie a good 20 times. no lie).the prophecy was true for both the machines and teh humans... for machines they start it all over and the war ends, no one remembers there was a war to begin with so thats why the war ends.. for the humans, neo goes back with new powers to kick smith and sentinel ass... the prophecy is true to both but one. never do you hear smith talking about the prophecy. you hear the oracle speaking about it cause she while still apart of the matrix is her own person...
and i just want to say that all i wrote above makes no sense to me... i was just writting whatever hit me first.. no one be mad.. just tossing in my two cents...
Meta> the Architects room could be the virtual representation of the SOURCE, not necessarily anywhere near it, but it is possible that by entering the room itself, Neo was GIVEN admin access, but he was distracted.
and i stated on the first page that there are two ways to take the prophecy, one, the most obvious, being false, but the other, being that Neo is the ONE, the only anomaly, meant to end the war, which we think to be true. and, forum, we dont know what the prophecy was in any of the other matrices...
Italian, bacially this is a conceptual discussion about what 'entering the Source' really is, so I think yuor confusion is because you are taking it literaly.
Meta, again, your explanations are interesting in of themselves but I think they only make sense to people that already understand you, if you see what I mean! Hence the continued confusion.
Anyway, the motives of the Oracle are a huge variable but it is not at all unlikely that she is still a good guy hoping to doing something more than just act as a part of the system of control; I would expand on that but it is not that relevant to the subject.
I think we can safely assume the Prophecy was in previous Matrices even though we have no direct proof. After all, the theme that it is all happening 'just like before' is strong.
I still like to take simpler explanations where possible; I do not know where the Architect's room was- clearly outside the main body of the Matrix- but I do not think it was the Soruce in any fashion; I believe Neo brushes the Source by simple proximity.
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Someoen explain to me why Neo was given this choice anyway. Had he only one door to walk though, the Matrix would have been reloaded like the previous 5 times.
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Oct 30th, 2003 04:47 AM
) All of the previous anomalies never took the door Neo did, so it is possible that Neo has more capabilities because of this.
