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JKozzy
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After reading all of this, I remember hearing a rumor about this maybe a year ago, thought it was some quack trying to get money. But if there's evidence of this, then well... let the courts decide. The Matrix is one of my favorite movies, and I never "worshipped the Wachowskis" or felt the need to remain loyal. The movie is great, and nothing really can change that.

However, if she says that the Wachowskis did Reloaded and Revolutions by themselves, perhaps that would shed more light upon why the sequels weren't as popular. stick out tongue


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However, if she says that the Wachowskis did Reloaded and Revolutions by themselves, perhaps that would shed more light upon why the sequels weren't as popular. stick out tongue


Good point, lol. yes

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But tell me, of all the books and references out there that have some of the same principles that the Matrix is based on and one that is even shown in the movie (Simulacra and Simulation), why would the Wachowski bros. choose this women's story that is a piece of crap compared to the other books that cover the same topics? This women is a complete nut job, I'm sorry. Some of you probably haven't read some of her statements telling other blacks to join her in her fight against whites in the entertainment business and says that that is the whole reason behind this. And I suggest you read her story once, and you will see how bad it is and how it doesn't come close to having the same story of the Matrix or Terminator.


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But tell me, of all the books and references out there that have some of the same principles that the Matrix is based on and one that is even shown in the movie (Simulacra and Simulation), why would the Wachowski bros. choose this women's story that is a piece of crap compared to the other books that cover the same topics? This women is a complete nut job, I'm sorry. Some of you probably haven't read some of her statements telling other blacks to join her in her fight against whites in the entertainment business and says that that is the whole reason behind this. And I suggest you read her story once, and you will see how bad it is and how it doesn't come close to having the same story of the Matrix or Terminator.


She directly submitted the idea for the film to them in the early 80's. If they cared to make a film about it before then, they probably would have. But, it seems as if they aren't as ingenuitive as we once were led to believe.

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If she's saying "blacks against whites", isn't THAT a little bit racist?


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I think it should be noted that in her story there is absolutely nothing like The Matrix in it- the object, as opposed to the theme title. As in no virtual world, or anything like that.

Apparently she thought that part was silly. Mind you, I read that from a site, could just be rumour that she made that comment, because frankly there is a lot of nonsense floating around out there about this, from that first erroneous article onwards.


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Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
She directly submitted the idea for the film to them in the early 80's. If they cared to make a film about it before then, they probably would have. But, it seems as if they aren't as ingenuitive as we once were led to believe.
But that was never the case because it was widely known that they gained a lot of their ideas from material that had been around for hundreds of years, it's just the way they combined it all into one setting that made it so great.


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One of her press releases: http://www.daghettotymz.com/matrix/ltrfromsophia.html

This is coming from her official site, and you tell me if you don't have some doubts about her after looking at her site. I mean she's charging money for CD's to hear her talking!!!! Please, can somebody shut this woman the hell up already.


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Sounds like a bitter ex-Black Panther, lol. The thing is, she's apparently in line to win her case, if she hasn't already done so, that said, us being outsiders to the legal proceedings, know absolutely nothing as to what ultimately made the judges decision

So, our speculation is strcitly that, not to mention mostly biased, and unfairly prejudiced.

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So, our speculation is strcitly that, not to mention mostly biased, and unfairly prejudiced.
Yes, on the legal stuff it is speculation, but when you read the crap that are in those statements made directly by her, there is no speculation about it.


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quote:
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
Sounds like a bitter ex-Black Panther, lol. The thing is, she's apparently in line to win her case, if she hasn't already done so, that said, us being outsiders to the legal proceedings, know absolutely nothing as to what ultimately made the judges decision

So, our speculation is strcitly that, not to mention mostly biased, and unfairly prejudiced.


No, she has not already done so. The case has not even started, and no judgment based on anything she has been presented has yet been made, so there is no such judges decision.

Nor do I see any indications that she is in line to win; where did you get that from, CA?


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o well people it happened that way and there is no way in changing it, I don't think there are rights or wrongs in this media excitement so.. they based their film on her story, they didn't do it exactly the same. And their point was to tell people that there is something else than just believing in god etc. her point was to get people to have faith in god again from what I read.


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Nor do I see any indications that she is in line to win; where did you get that from, CA?


quote:

Stewart's allegations, involving copyright infringement
and racketeering, were received and acknowledged by the
Central District of California, Judge Margaret Morrow residing.

Stewart, a New Yorker who has resided in Salt Lake City for the
past five years, will recover damages from the films, The Matrix I,
II and III, as well as The Terminator and its sequels. She will
soon receive
one of the biggest payoffs in the history of
Hollywood, as the gross receipts of both films and their sequels
total over 2.5 billion dollars.


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Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
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From slccglobelink.com (Source of Martha Carters article)

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Correction Regarding 'Matrix' Story

"In reference to the recent article entitled "Mother of the Matrix Victorious," some information has been deemed misleading. Ms. Sophia Stewart has not yet won her case against Joel Silver, Time Warner and the Wachowski Bros. The decision on October 4th enabled Ms. Stewart to proceed with her case, as all attempts to have it dismissed were unsuccessful. Ms. Stewart's case will proceed through the Central District Court of California"

Thanks,
Te Globe Staff


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raver

Good find TOH, when is that dated?


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Good find TOH, when is that dated?



"Mother of the Matrix" Victorious Published: Thursday, October 28, 2004

Correction Regarding 'Matrix' Story Published: Thursday, October 28, 2004

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Looks like even the people writing the story didn't get the facts straight at first....

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if this lady is suing over the terminator and the matrix. she is just insane. the wachowski brothers have always been open to reveal that many different japanese anime's inspired the matrix. I am sure this lady just wrote a story similar to the matrix and is pissed off that she never had her stuff publised before the brothers made it into a billion dollar franchise. The fact of the terminator is ridiculous. James cameron dremt about the machine when he was borke and living in his car. Creative minds think alike. this chik is just crazy and delusional.


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Id be pretty damned happy if one of my ideas became a movie franchise with an online game and everything even if credit wasnt given to me.


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