Maul would easily win with his eyes closed. Bandon may have been powerful, but he was only stronger than the weakling Uthar of the Sith Academy and those three dark Jedi at the end of the star forge (dark side). That's not saying much. Sure many Jedi have fallen beneath Bandon's blade, but look at how many Jedi were cut down on the Star Forge. Bandon had less than 1 year of Sith training under Malak while Maul had his whole life of training under Darth Sidious. And before you guys say how arrogant Maul is, Bandon is the same way.
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back to topic. indeed i know that bandon was defeated by revan, thats why he was easy. but still, he was TOO easy to be a good opponent, considering i went to Kashyyk first, so i was way low on levels. and about that sidious old and stuff. in TPM he was still pretty young, i wouldnt give him more then 50. and with the force its like: older u are, more u know. so he could definitly teach maul a few usefull things. now about those cheap shots, there are none of them in jedi combat. u use all available means to defeat ur opponent, and obi wan was defeated, yet he recovered and struck back defeating maul. respect.
bandon on the other hand learned from Malak. yes, i know that ppl underestimate both, but still, he was a peace of cake, even with those jedi to draw from. front line general in mandalorian wars? ye ok he was, but that doesnt give u expirience against jedi, which he didnt fight a lot. and im not sure about bandon being in the mandalorian wars. i mean game said he adandoned the order, but it never sayd WHEN. it could have been after the wars. Malak choosing him from thousands of sith? hmmm, maybe he didnt choose the strongest to make sure he wouldnt be killed by his apprentice.(not likely, but possible). i also dont think bandon fought the strongest of jedi, considering revan wiped quite a few of them out.
also, maul would prolly have the moral advantage on his side. his scary face, deep voice and double bladed saber arent a pleasent sight if u ask me.
What kind of logic is that? You always meet Bandon on your third planet... Just before you get picked up by the leviathan, not on Kashyyyk. Unless that is your third planet.
Malak not powerful? You are Revan, you are the Dark Lord of the Sith. The master not the apprentice, killing Malak is surprisingly hard considering who you are..
And with all that Malak talks about the strongest ruling and how his apprentice would take over from him you can be damn sure he would pick the strongest from them all to make sure that he would be killed and the Sith would have another powerful ruler. Malak was the kind of person who was a true Sith in heart.
And yes Revan killed a lot of powerful Jedi, but so did Malak saying he has no experience against Jedi is foolish and really underestimating the Jedi. The Jedi would not let the apprentice of the Dark Lord run around free of challenge. And thats when he still served Revan after that, he would have faced many Jedi. Bandon apparently did, he always won. Had never met his equal in saber combat, and this was from somebody that the Jedi knew had trained and who was the apprentice of the Dark Lord himself. You try to kill somebody like that.
Both Malak and Bandon faced more Jedi then Maul, it can not be another way. Both of them always came out victorious unless they faced Revan, and really who are we talking about here? If Maul would have faced Yoda and would have died nobody would have been surprised, then why be surprised when we are talking about the Dark Lord of the Sith himself?
Besides that Mandelorians don't give you any experience when you are fighting against Jedi, i beg to differ.
Not only did Malak fight Mandelorians who were skilled with blades, he fought them a lot. The Republic used energy shields like the Mandelorians did to stop blasters from hitting them, they had to fight with swords as well as guns. Malak surely faced a lot of Mandelorians who were very skilled with blades. Okay they may not have been Jedi, but that doesn't mean they couldn't kill Jedi. A lot Jedi died during the Mandelorian wars and not just at Malachor.
You are imo heavily underestimating both Malak and Bandon, i used to do the same for Bandon. But pretty much everything i learned about him since has convinced me that he is indeed one hell of a fighter.
read about Bandon there, it just says some stuff that he has never met an opponent that could beat him never met his equal in lightsaber combat and has killed many Jedi...
That and some logical thinking brings me to the conclusion that Bandon was indeed incredibly powerful and more then a match for Maul.
yes I agree, and about Bandon being scared of Maul's appearence, please give me a break. If that is the best arguement you can come up with, well thats pretty lame. Bandon faced off against Revan and he wasn't scared, and he knew who he was facing. If you think Maul would beat anyone based on his looks, it would be an 5 year old apprentice, not a sith lord
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i agree with the fact that you are revan and you kill bandon remarkably easy (despite what order you go to planets) but i just can't see him against darth maul, and about him being Malak's apprentice, what a load of crap. Give me a knuckleduster and i'll kick the crap out of him! And think about the beginning of KOTOR; doesnt Trask manage to hold him off for a little too long! I mean Trask is a level 2 soldier with standard clothing and a long sword and he manages to hold him off, it just seems a little too easy for my liking.
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Trask Ulgo doesn't "hold Bandon off". He runs at the Sith lord, sacrificing his life to buy you a few seconds to escape. In anyc ase, the door was blown and sealed behind him, and we see no blades slashed. It's very likely that Trask was butchered in a second or two.
Yes Bandon seems easy, which was the reason i always considered him a weak bastard. But all facts speak against that, Bandon was powerful he was a skilled lightsaber duellist and he did defeat everybody he ever faced except for Revan...
Revan the legendaric Sith Lord and Fighter, what chance would anybody have against that?
Yes, Bandon killed many Jedi, but look at how strong most Jedi were, many were killed by average Sith apprentices on the Star Forge. And Malak fighting on the front lines in the Mandalorian Wars, where did you hear that? I would guess he would be too cowardly to do something like that. And we never see Malak fight and beat any Jedi from start to finish except Bastila. Back on topic though, we know that Maul killed everyone he faced until Obi-Wan (whom he still defeated). Maul killed two masters and an apprentice because he didn't fight any other Jedi. Sidious made sure of that.
Ok to sum it all up, you're comparing a Sith Lord trained for less than a year by the weaker Darth Malak to a Sith Lord trained from birth by the stronger Darth Sidious. Bandon was trained far less than even Luke by TESB who has far more potential than Bandon. Bandon's strong, but not nearly as strong as Maul. Maul could even compete with Malak (though even I admit Malak is probably stronger.) So why do you think his barely trained apprentice could beat him?
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ok i dont know much about bandon, just that no one likes him and he sucks.
so i was pissed cuz maul is a stud. im not sure who wuld win, i think maul though...from what i know.
he kills in shadow hunter(from what i can remember):
master, his apprentice, lorn pavan(who was a formidable apponent), a few police droids, a skilled bounty hunter, a giant effin' mythical worm beast, tons of those cython monsters with ease(which are supposed to be amazing), the nemoidian and all of his gaurds, 4 super-insane assassin droids who were like sickly skilled......
those are what i can remember from that book....theres probly more, and i know all their names but not everyone would know them from their names.
thanks for not bein a d1ck about it too....ur one of the only ones around this site with class.
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A few things...
www.swkotor.com Check it for information on Bandon and Malak. It might change your opinion of both.
Secondly, no one saw Maul kill any Jedi before TPM, but all assume he is badass. No one saw Sidious kill any Jedi before ROTS, and yet all assume he is badass. You have an official source telling you that Malak was a hero of the Mandalorian Wars whose courage and boldness held the line when it would have broke, and a fallen Jedi who was now the apprentice over hundreds of others to the Sith Lord and has never known an equal in combat save for the legendary Revan, and you assume both are worthless next to both Maul and Sidious?
I don't follow.
Second issue: training.
We have the majority of Bandon's lifetime as a Jedi in the warlike years following Exar Kun and the new Sith Wars, and also two years training as a Sith... That's a lot of time to be mastering Jedi fighting techniques and abttle techniques and blending them with Sith techniques.
Darth Maul's training comes from one source: Sidious. Unlike Bandon, who had many masters (Since training was more or less a group thing back then.) Maul's isolation from other force users and thus isolation from many fighting styles, combat techniques, and even just in general social adjustment gives him -disadvantages- instead of advantages. Bandon was in a position to test his mettle and excel and learn from his mistakes (Of which there were few) with real live Sith and Jedi. Maul's training was limited to the ancient Sidious, the 70 year old Qui Gon Jinn, and the20 year old Obi Wan who destroyed him.
Where did you get that training part? He was a Jedi, Jedi are trained from birth or early childhood at least. That means he had a lot of training and not just by Bandon but from Jedi Masters as well.
And Malak did fight on the front lines, i heard it from story's from people, Sith republic soldiers, Carth and Jedi Masters alike. To say those Jedi are weak is foolish as well, they were outnumbered and in a place where the dark side was strong. What chance did they have? Malak killed two masters that we have seen, story's about him talk about a lot more then just that. You think its strange that they didn't put all of them in game? That would have been one hell of a game, with one big intro if we wanted to see everybody that Malak killed.
He was honoured because he was a front line general and a great fighter, thats what he did that was his job.
Bandon did have training his entire life by Jedi. Jedi train people from child hood or not at all, seeing as Bandon was a Jedi before he left he had to have had considerable training.
About Malak not being a fighter, seeing as councillors say that Malak was a fighter, I'm just going to assume he was. Not to mention that Republic soldiers say it, Sith soldiers say it. Carth Onasi says it. Malak was a front line fighter so he faced many mandelorians, Mandelorians that killed Jedi for a living. Also lets not forget he was the Dark Lord of the Sith a powerful one at that, maybe not Revan but still powerful and he would have to be powerful to do that.
Your argument that the Jedi Bandon faced were weak has no real basis. First of all if the Sith were so strong that they could kill Jedi that easily then that means Bandon is incredible to be in a higher rank then they are. To say they are weaken then more modern Jedi is foolish considering they had more training. The only time you see Sith and Jedi fight is on the Star Forge a powerful Dark Side artifact that and on the harbinger (sp?) the first ship.
Jedi and Dark Jedi are matched there. No matter how you explain it however its still a compliment for Bandon.
Now on the matter of Maul killing one master, whoopie doo. He killed one entire Jedi, Bandon killed a lot more. Maybe they were weaker maybe they were stronger we don't know. But we sure as hell know that Bandon has seen more combat then Qui gon and Maul put together at that time. You don't proof yourself to Malak without fighting and killing other Sith and Jedi. Bandon was powerful you can not deny this, it would make no sense if he wasn't. Simply saying that you as Revan beat him means absolutely nothing, as Revan would beat anybody at that time.
I forgot about Malak fighting on the front lines and stuff, apologies. Sure Bandon was trained from birth as a Jedi and then he had less than a year of training to be a Sith lord. It was not two years. That's not much time. Maul was older and had his whole life to be trained by a Sith lord. Now about Janus' point that Bandon was trained by more than one master because it was a group thing, yes he did but that also means the teachers spent less time with him as they had more students. Sidious had no one else to teach.
Now in actual combat, we know Maul killed everyone in black sun, 3 Jedi 2 of them masters who were strong with a lightsaber. He also killed a ship full of togorian pirates, tusken raiders, and many assassin droids. He was constantly being tested by Sidious to become the perfect weapon. Sidious once filled his room full of dinkos just because he had flinched. Now I'm not saying Bandon is a total wuss, but he didn't have nearly the training Maul did. It's like comparing Maul to a weaker ESB Luke. And just because he killed more Jedi doesn't mean he's stronger. Aurra Sing, Atton Rand, HK-47 all kill plenty of Jedi but that doesn't make them stronger. Maul didn't have the chance to fight more Jedi because Sidious wouldn't let him. And the Jedi Bandon killed could have been masters or they could have been padawans. We don't know who he killed or how strong they were, but we do know Maul defeat two powerful Jedi at the same time with ease.
While I respect your opinions, you guys are banking a lot on what ifs. There just isn't enough facts about Bandon and Maul had WAY more training and some known Jedi under his belt.
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i know this is a stupid comment considering the game physics but . . . Bandon doesn't even jump around a lot, he's got a dodgy goatee and needs to wear silver plate armour to keep hisself safe. And a sith lord (assmuing bandon is) should have been able break through that door, otheewise how did he get out the endar spire.
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