if fox hound fight as they are supposed to fight, getting the enemy in favorable conditions for a fight they would have the upper hand, any x-men if are not ready are as tough as a human, except from beast , wolverine and maybe angel
Going by in game feats Psycho mantis' psionic powers are no comparison to jeans whatsoever. An expert at mind control in comparison to jean? I love metal gear as well but thats ridiculous. She is an omega level telepath whose ultimate psychic potential is to tap into the primal force of creation. Psycho mantis has never displayed anything to show him to be nothing more than a low level telepath. His powers would be very effective against humans, the untrained and those who have less powerful psychic powers but jean would laugh at him.
this is NORMAL jean were talking about, not pheonix, even though she has great powers, she hasnt really shown the ability to destroy an antire town with a single psionic blast, secondly id say that controlling the entire genome army telepathically would put u a wee bit higher than a LOW LEVEL TELEPATH woudnt u agree
Nah he doesnt have class 100 strength. None of his feats from within game suggest he's any stronger than current beast. He may have invisibility but storm sees the world around her as energy patterns he would still be detectable. His machinerys operations could be taken out via an EMP wave. Also Wolverine or Beast could smell/hear him and jean would know exactly where he is. The xmen are trained to resist telelpaths and mind control. That is why they are only ever taken out by powerful telepaths. Psycho Mantis is far from that category. Jean would deal with him and protect the xmen from his manipulations, although if they could probably resist them without too much trouble themselves. Dont attack me for saying that metal gear fans if you actually read xmen comics regularly you'll know that to be the case.
mantis IS a powerful telepath, and fox MOST DEFINATELY has class 100 strength, have u forgotten that he LIFTED rex when rex was about to crush snake, and lets not forget that the foot of rex was coming down with a LOT OF FORCE due to its crushing movement and that wa augmented by its own wieght, if fox can lift that without much difficulty than he is actually much higher than normal class 100{remeber rex is well over 100 tons as it is, couple that with the crushing force of the foot and u have over class 100 strength}
Storm vs Raven could go either way. She cant avoid his wraith ravens forever. Once she is caught, it would be over. Storm is powerful, but it usually takes her time."
i NEVER said that it takes her time, i read the comics and know that she can create bolts and storms just like that, but she has no protection against raven's mystic freezing powers does she, and she cant just blow raven away with a a storm, she could take him out with a lightning bolt but then its just a case of if she can conjure up the lightning bolt before raven mystically paralyzes her, and her wind gust give her no protection against 30 caliber bullets does it, thas why i said that it can go either way.
"Ocelot has perfect aim, even being able to hit targets perfect from wall ricochets."
i never said that ocelot could do much to the x men,
"Sniper wolf... not too much special about her that would help against the x men."
i said that she could ONLY DO damage if she was given a good hidden surprise vantage point,k or a good long distance sniping point.
P Mantis is not class 100. Are you hoping that none of us have actually played the games?
lol, when the HELL did i ever say that mantis was class 100? hes not even a good human fighter, i could beat his ass with my own hands in hand to hand, and plus hes blind, his main power is psionic, and that is enough to destroy every 1 other than normal jean, he COULD stand up to normal jean seeing as he was strong enough to destroy a whole town in a single psionic blast{forgive me for saying this but doesnt that make hin like one of the top 5 earth born telekentics in marvel terms, leveling a whole town with a single blast?} and was also strong enough to control the entire genome army telepathically against their own will{here also, a person who can telepathiocally simultaneously control hundreds of soldiers over the shadow mosses island is a VERY strong telepath in earth born marvel terms isnt it}. he also had the abilty to tell the future{precognition} and the abilty of astral projection and illusion casting, now think about all that.
Jean Grey is an omega level telepath/telekinetic. PM isnt beating Jean. He isnt on her power level and he hasnt fought another decent psychic before. Hes always got his own way because in the Metal Gear world psychics are a rarity and far from being as abundant as they are in Marvel. In Marvel there are many, many telepaths yet Jean is the second most powerful one on the planet (pre-phoenix). That is impressive. Controlling a bunch of untrained (psychically) defencless soldiers is nothing to any half decent telepath who could also kill a city if their powers lashed out of control. PM psychically isnt impressive in Marvel terms. Im sorry but thats the truth. Jean would beat him in a telepathic battle with no trouble. Or she could just snap his neck like with a thought. GAME OVER.
sna[p his neck like a twig, SHE COULD, and i also agree that mantis hasnt fought with a lot of decent telepaths, but if u read my posts i said that THE XMEN WOULD WIN, and ONLY BECAUSE OF JEAN GREY, but it is ALSO A FACT that mantis COULD hold his own against normal jean for quite a long time,
Liquid has the potential to be something greater i mean look at what some of the other clones could do. However liquid in current state was nothing more than a Captain America. He would get taken down by the Xmen.
he is actually a lot more than captain america, do u not remember what he survived without help? well lets me remind u that he survived that helicopter crash, the metal gear destruction, {meaning a stinger missile STRAIGHT into the cocpit, the fall from a height that no man could have survived, a couple of bullets from snake, a jeep crash and he also held up against the foxdie virus FOR A HELLUVA LONG TIME, and just his arm was genetically powerful enough to take over its host OCELOT, hes a lot more than a street thugh, he went around without even a shirt on for hours in temperatures less than minus 50, and was almost as good and intelligent as snake in hand to hand combat and was also a weapons specialist greater than wolverine could ever be,
um, first of all you are killing off wolverine way too fast. The is not going to go down to someone with a machine gun. Machine gun + Wolverine = angry wolverine + dead machine gun operator.
secondly, Storm doesn't take much time if any to generate her weather effects. This is a misconception people get from watching the movies and cartoons. In the comics, if you read her it takes her a while to cook up a MAJOR storm, sure. But stuff like lightning, fog, winds and all that is the work of seconds.
thirdly, there is no clear line between "normal" Jean and "phoenix" jean- shes been manifesting phoenx signatures and hinting at it for 70 issues and years even after she first "came back" in X-factor. For a while they were powering her down by getting rid of her TP first and then her TK because of various reasons/injuries.
But even then, lets just say theres some "normal Jean" benchmark (even though there isnt.) I'm just going to take it as whenever she hasnt specifically manifested the phoenix raptor. Even so, this "normal" Jean- an omega lvl telepath/telekinetic- has mentally frozen Apocalypse with ease, then ripped him out of her husbands body in a single panel. Shes often been labelled the second most powerful telepath behind prof. X. She freezes crowds of people in place without a strain, mindwipes, etc. She preserved prof X's entire mind inside her own when the body he was in died- then split it up amongst every mutant on the planet, while keeping his mind alive. Etc.
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secondly, Storm doesn't take much time if any to generate her weather effects. This is a misconception people get from watching the movies and cartoons. In the comics, if you read her it takes her a while to cook up a MAJOR storm, sure. But stuff like lightning, fog, winds and all that is the work of seconds.
i already said that i accepted that, n that wolverine thing, this isnt just any normal machine gunner, its a machine gunner firing 8000 bullets per minute of thirty caliber each, he has superhuman strength and can mystically paralyze wolvie.
Storm could blow all of them away in a hurricane. Or create a lightining storm that fries all of them. Using her power does not take time. A few well placed lightining bolts will put half of this team down in the first seconds.
I never said he was in Jean's level power for power, I just said he had similar abilities. I even said it would be suicide for him to go directly after her...read...
As for the Ninja, Metal Gear went to stomp him, and he managed to actually grab its leg with all its momentum to keep from getting crushed. Thats definitely above the beasts strength. I would say the Gear is close to 100 tons with all its artillery loaded and the force of downward momemtum.
As for storm, I got this directly off her Marvel directory a while back, and it does take her time to manipulate weather patterns. If its a beautiful clear day out, she cant just make a storm, she has to manipulate the weather, she isnt thor. Either way, I cant see her beaving Raven, his powers are too much for her.
I woudnt sleep on Liquid, seeing characters like Batman and Spiderman have given the xmen a hard time on their own. Remember also that these guys kill quickly without remorse while the xmen usually *try* to restrain at first.
My info didnt come off a website. It came from books. Do I remember which ones? Hell no, I was still in school when I read these.
Spiderman did give these guys a hard time, Wolverine, Cyclops, Beast, I believe Iceman was in it also. He took them all at once, and even cracked jokes while effortlessly dodging and fighting. Normal spiderman...no cosmic powers either.
Did everyone also forget FH has 1 week of prep as per my original thread?
"Spiderman did give these guys a hard time, Wolverine, Cyclops, Beast, I believe Iceman was in it also. He took them all at once, and even cracked jokes while effortlessly dodging and fighting. Normal spiderman...no cosmic powers either."
That was in Secret Wars and spiderman never faced the Xmen. He was spying on them, heard something suspect and ran off to report to the avengers and FF and so on. He was spotted and the xmen tried to capture him not fight him and he dodged and ran out till he came across some other heroes at which point prof X wiped his mind with a thought.
Read them again. You'd see that it doesn't take long at all for Storm to summon a storm. She has deft control over the elements. Summoning wind, rain and lightning takes almost no effort whatsoever. She often does so accidentally.
Wolverine nearly killed Spiderman by himself. I doubt Spiderman did any such thing. Do you have an issue number?
Not really cos Spiderman did tangle with the xmen in secret wars also and with some of the same xmen you mentioned. Either way this debating should have ended a few days ago. Everyone but metal gear fanboys can see that the xmen would punk this lame ass team. You were probably hoping none of us had actually played the game.
I didnt say anythin about consistency. I have also seen wolverine scare the sh*t out of spidey on their own. It makes no sense, but then again, thats Marvels fault. Spidey always seems to do better against teams that 1-on-1.
If all the elements are in place, then it is easy for her to summon a powerful storm quickly. If its a nice day out, her powers take longer to reach full effect. Her powers were not fast at all when Doom turned her into a statue.
Either way, how will this help her against a man who can mystically paralize her?
I have not said the xmen will lose automatically, I'm just stating scenarios, and we are talking about a superpowered military team with a week of prep here.
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