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The Bible makes many claims, a number of which are untrue:

God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (Genesis 1:14-19). And how could there be "the evening and the morning" on the first day if there was no sun to mark them?

Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (Genesis 1:14-19).

God makes two lights: "the greater light [the sun] to rule the day, and the lesser light [the moon] to rule the night." But the moon is not a light, but only reflects light from the sun. And why, if God made the moon to "rule the night", does it spend half of its time moving through the daytime sky? (Genesis 1:16)

All animals were originally herbivores. Tapeworms, vampire bats, mosquitoes, and barracudas -- all were strict vegetarians, as they were created by God. (Genesis 1:30)

After making the animals, God has Adam name them all. The naming of several million species must have kept Adam busy for a while. However, we still don't have names for all of them. Ten thousand new species of insects are discovered and named each year. (Genesis 2:18-22)

God curses the serpent. From now on the serpent will crawl on his belly and eat dust. One wonders how he got around before -- by hopping on his tail, perhaps? But snakes don't eat dust, do they? (Genesis 3:14)

Because Adam listened to Eve, God cursed the ground and causes thorns and thistles to grow. Before this, according to the Genesis story, plants had no natural defenses. The rose had no thorn, cacti were spineless, holly leaves were smooth, and the nettle had no sting. Foxgloves, oleander, and milkweeds were all perfectly safe to eat. (Genesis 3:17)

There were giants in the earth in those days." Well, I suppose it's good to know that. But why is there no archaeological evidence for the existence of these giants? (Genesis 6:4)

I could go on and on and on and on...


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The Bible makes many claims, a number of which are untrue:

God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (Genesis 1:14-19). And how could there be "the evening and the morning" on the first day if there was no sun to mark them?

Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (Genesis 1:14-19).

God makes two lights: "the greater light [the sun] to rule the day, and the lesser light [the moon] to rule the night." But the moon is not a light, but only reflects light from the sun. And why, if God made the moon to "rule the night", does it spend half of its time moving through the daytime sky? (Genesis 1:16)

All animals were originally herbivores. Tapeworms, vampire bats, mosquitoes, and barracudas -- all were strict vegetarians, as they were created by God. (Genesis 1:30)

After making the animals, God has Adam name them all. The naming of several million species must have kept Adam busy for a while. However, we still don't have names for all of them. Ten thousand new species of insects are discovered and named each year. (Genesis 2:18-22)

God curses the serpent. From now on the serpent will crawl on his belly and eat dust. One wonders how he got around before -- by hopping on his tail, perhaps? But snakes don't eat dust, do they? (Genesis 3:14)

Because Adam listened to Eve, God cursed the ground and causes thorns and thistles to grow. Before this, according to the Genesis story, plants had no natural defenses. The rose had no thorn, cacti were spineless, holly leaves were smooth, and the nettle had no sting. Foxgloves, oleander, and milkweeds were all perfectly safe to eat. (Genesis 3:17)

There were giants in the earth in those days." Well, I suppose it's good to know that. But why is there no archaeological evidence for the existence of these giants? (Genesis 6:4)

I could go on and on and on and on...



"God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (Genesis 1:14-19). And how could there be "the evening and the morning" on the first day if there was no sun to mark them?"
Because of time my friend, just because there is no sun or moon, doesn't mean its not 2:00 am or pm.. He didn't make the sun or the moon, yet he seperated shadow and light in the physics of the universe.

"Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (Genesis 1:14-19)." He's god so he could have provided them with light himself.

"All animals were originally herbivores. Tapeworms, vampire bats, mosquitoes, and barracudas -- all were strict vegetarians, as they were created by God. (Genesis 1:30)"
They were all vegetarians, untill Adam and Eve ate from the sacred tree when some decided to eat meat. They passed it on to their cubs etc. At the start Vampire Bats etc probably didn't even exist, they were probably bred to drink blood or adapted to it.

"After making the animals, God has Adam name them all. The naming of several million species must have kept Adam busy for a while. However, we still don't have names for all of them. Ten thousand new species of insects are discovered and named each year. (Genesis 2:18-22)"
As i said before, Breeding,thats why there's so many, and humans have forgotten most of the names after god seperated peoples languages.

"God curses the serpent. From now on the serpent will crawl on his belly and eat dust. One wonders how he got around before -- by hopping on his tail, perhaps? But snakes don't eat dust, do they? (Genesis 3:14)" To eat dust was a figure of speach, before they lost their legs they were probably a race of reptiles with legs, like normal lizards. The other reptiles that had legs didn't get the curse because they didn't do anything wrong. So now the serpent goes around on its belly with its head close to the floor(eating dust).

"Because Adam listened to Eve, God cursed the ground and causes thorns and thistles to grow. Before this, according to the Genesis story, plants had no natural defenses. The rose had no thorn, cacti were spineless, holly leaves were smooth, and the nettle had no sting. Foxgloves, oleander, and milkweeds were all perfectly safe to eat. (Genesis 3:17)"
Yes, you could have eaten them then. They had no defence as god wanted everyone to be able to eat freely and easily(as they didn't eat meat).

"There were giants in the earth in those days." Well, I suppose it's good to know that. But why is there no archaeological evidence for the existence of these giants? (Genesis 6:4)"
For the same reason you don't find dinosaur bones in your back yard I suppose, acording to the bible and also proven by science, a long time ago there was a large cloud of water protecting the world from rays of the sun and such, so people lived longer because the rays didn't shorten their lives, people used to live to amazing ages such as 905 years old. When there was Noahs flood thats when it all came down and people didn't live as long since then and god has also shortened it more since. The remains of people probably rotted away. There is just as many remains found of giants than there has been of monkey-men which would still be around if the earth was the odd 500,000,000 year old.

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They were all vegetarians, untill Adam and Eve ate from the sacred tree when some decided to eat meat. They passed it on to their cubs etc. At the start Vampire Bats etc probably didn't even exist, they were probably bred to drink blood or adapted to it.
and how did they, carnivores, refrain from cleaning house on the ark then?

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They probably fed the carnivores fish.

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so how did they have time to fish, when taken the cosideration there where more animlas to feed than there weer hours in a day for such a few as Noah and his lot where?

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Originally posted by Chibi Boy
"God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (Genesis 1:14-19). And how could there be "the evening and the morning" on the first day if there was no sun to mark them?"
Because of time my friend, just because there is no sun or moon, doesn't mean its not 2:00 am or pm.. He didn't make the sun or the moon, yet he seperated shadow and light in the physics of the universe.

"Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (Genesis 1:14-19)." He's god so he could have provided them with light himself.

"All animals were originally herbivores. Tapeworms, vampire bats, mosquitoes, and barracudas -- all were strict vegetarians, as they were created by God. (Genesis 1:30)"
They were all vegetarians, untill Adam and Eve ate from the sacred tree when some decided to eat meat. They passed it on to their cubs etc. At the start Vampire Bats etc probably didn't even exist, they were probably bred to drink blood or adapted to it.

"After making the animals, God has Adam name them all. The naming of several million species must have kept Adam busy for a while. However, we still don't have names for all of them. Ten thousand new species of insects are discovered and named each year. (Genesis 2:18-22)"
As i said before, Breeding,thats why there's so many, and humans have forgotten most of the names after god seperated peoples languages.

"God curses the serpent. From now on the serpent will crawl on his belly and eat dust. One wonders how he got around before -- by hopping on his tail, perhaps? But snakes don't eat dust, do they? (Genesis 3:14)" To eat dust was a figure of speach, before they lost their legs they were probably a race of reptiles with legs, like normal lizards. The other reptiles that had legs didn't get the curse because they didn't do anything wrong. So now the serpent goes around on its belly with its head close to the floor(eating dust).

"Because Adam listened to Eve, God cursed the ground and causes thorns and thistles to grow. Before this, according to the Genesis story, plants had no natural defenses. The rose had no thorn, cacti were spineless, holly leaves were smooth, and the nettle had no sting. Foxgloves, oleander, and milkweeds were all perfectly safe to eat. (Genesis 3:17)"
Yes, you could have eaten them then. They had no defence as god wanted everyone to be able to eat freely and easily(as they didn't eat meat).

"There were giants in the earth in those days." Well, I suppose it's good to know that. But why is there no archaeological evidence for the existence of these giants? (Genesis 6:4)"
For the same reason you don't find dinosaur bones in your back yard I suppose, acording to the bible and also proven by science, a long time ago there was a large cloud of water protecting the world from rays of the sun and such, so people lived longer because the rays didn't shorten their lives, people used to live to amazing ages such as 905 years old. When there was Noahs flood thats when it all came down and people didn't live as long since then and god has also shortened it more since. The remains of people probably rotted away. There is just as many remains found of giants than there has been of monkey-men which would still be around if the earth was the odd 500,000,000 year old.


You must be joking.


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This is a hot topic for Christians. I don't understand what all the fuss is about? It's all trivial in the scheme of things. Faith in Jesus is all that matters!

Some people view the accounts in Genesis as 6 literal days, and others, long periods of time. Knowledge of the solar system and distant galaxies, verify that our dying planet is more than 6,000 years old. If Earth were thousands of years old, and not billions... Earth would be nothing more than Hydrogen gas; completely unstable for life. Yes, God did create the heavens and the earth... but not in 144 hours. That is much too rapid.

There is nothing wrong with this debate. No hits below the belt.

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Yes, God did create the heavens and the earth... but not in 144 hours. That is much too rapid.
so you believe

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so how did they have time to fish, when taken the cosideration there where more animlas to feed than there weer hours in a day for such a few as Noah and his lot where?

Only 2 of each animals, only a few of all the animals being carnivore.

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This is a hot topic for Christians. I don't understand what all the fuss is about? It's all trivial in the scheme of things. Faith in Jesus is all that matters!

Some people view the accounts in Genesis as 6 literal days, and others, long periods of time. Knowledge of the solar system and distant galaxies, verify that our dying planet is more than 6,000 years old. If Earth were thousands of years old, and not billions... Earth would be nothing more than Hydrogen gas; completely unstable for life. Yes, God did create the heavens and the earth... but not in 144 hours. That is much too rapid.

There is nothing wrong with this debate. No hits below the belt.


Hey, if he's god, he can do anything. Pulling a planet together could have probably taken him 20 seconds, but he obviously wanted to take his time and think about it.

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Only 2 of each animals, only a few of all the animals being carnivore
sums up to a pretty large bunch, and it doesnt matter how few were carnivores

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Not forgetting already being prepared BEFORE the flood stroke.

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what was prepared?

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The food, the boat, the trip

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And all the evil people got washed away in the seas

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The food
hard to prepare for something you dont know how long its gonna last

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yeah cause no on else had a boat roll eyes (sarcastic)

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Noone else had a boat, exactly. Noah might not have known, but he still could have brought alot of food with him. God said it'd be a large flood and they needed a boat/ark so it must have been really long if they needed one.

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yeah no one else had a boat laughing out loud.............................. and this doesnt strike you as odd

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Only 2 of each animals, only a few of all the animals being carnivore.


It also says 7 clean and 7 unclean animals....

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Finti

The Ark was the largest boat ever produced at the time, and it's design allowed exceptional levels of buoyancy. The flood that the storm thwarted, created violent oceanic current, much like powerful storms do today for arguments sake. Pond boats would not with stand their integrity in the middle of all the chaos.

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