Shimera is really powerful. Imagine the Dark Lord of the Sith of another species. He is overratd though, just not as much as you say.
She was a member of a Cult. They werent powerful force users because Jaden, a padawon was able to kill hundreds of them. They were basiclly soilders with Lightsabers. Wikipedia also says that Ragnos' spirit was so powerful that is destroyed her body to a large degree before they even fought. He also wasn't even CHALLENGED by Naga Sadow on his DEATHBED. I could kill anyone on their deathbed pretty much, but a guy who can destroy stars, which didnt even take him along time to do or any help from others, was afraid to fight him on his DEATHBED.
The OT Vader is underrated, the PT one isnt.
Your overrating Palpatine. He wouldnt put himself in that kind of a situation to get a new apprentice. He lost to Yoda. He kept running away. He was clearly beaten in force skills. Yoda was more powerful, he just lost his lightsaber, had a lot of clones coming, and wasn't trying to kill him. I dont think he wanted another Civil War, the death of Palpatine at that time would have destroyed the Republic, a war worse than the Clone Wars would have ensued, plus, Palpatine was keeping the clones in line. He fought horribly in ep3. Yoda just wanted to give Obi-wan time to kill Anakin. He failed because he was unable to delay Sidious from getting to Anakin untill Anakin died if Obi-wan was unable to finish him.
Imagine the clones doing as they pleased. Imagine A civil war in the Republic with clones doing as they please. This is what would have happened if Yoda had killed Sidious. Yoda doesnt want this. He knows Anakin could become more powerful than him, so he tries to have Obi-wan kill him. Yoda was the council head and look at how easily Mace beat Sidious. Yes, he beat him. Sidious wouldnt go into that position for Anakin to join him. He had the clones. He was leader of the Republic. There was plenty of time to get a new apprentice with the Jedi out of the way. He was living large at that point.
I agree with you on Dooku. He was just pretending to loose. Look at the way he fights from ep2 to ep3. It greatly declines in ep3. When Sidious tell Anakin to kill him, he thinks to himself in the book, "Treachery is the way of the Sith". He could have beaten Anakin.
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Somebody who is way overrated is Jar-Jar Binks. I mean that's really saying something cause I know that we would all would like to strangle him to death. We should hate him MORE!!!!! Muhahahahaha!!!!
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force push would of killed mace windu. i can't bieleve you can't see that. sidiuos is greater then mace when it comes to the force. if you are too aragont to see that and admit it then i won't argue with. there would be no point in it. i would lose (notice the quote)
Emperor Revan, I agree with you on your underrated ones, but Marka is underrated also. The reason that Jaden was able to defeat him was because he was so powerful he was destroying her body just by posesing it. She would have died soon anyway. If I can find the link I'll post it.
Bandon is underrated also. He basicly became what Darm Maul was in ep1. He was the second most powerful in the Sith Empire at that time. He had killed tons of Jedi also. I know you like Revan, so I think you will agree with him being easy from that point of view.
Tulak is about rightly rated by most I think, but Nihilus is very overrated. He isnt able to eat people in one second, it takes time. The more powerful the perosn, the longer it takes. Naga Sadow is also about right, maybe even underrated. He destroyed a star without hours of meditation or help from some weird staff or anything. He just blew it up. That relects on the rest of his power.
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Overrated: NJO Luke. He's Luke Skywalker. And the son of the Chosen One. But he's not a damn god. Last time I checked, he could still get hurt and he still had weaknesses. He's easily one of the most powerful people in Star Wars - but don't treat him like he's invincible.
Overrated: Revan. Revan has been compared to NJO Luke by multple people and is considered to be the Sith god. Yep, he was very smart. Yep, he was a very powerful Sith Lord. But in terms of accomplishments, he gets his ass handed to him by Palpatine.
Overrated: Yoda in any Yoda vs. Sidious duel.
Underrated: Yoda in any Revan vs. Revan duel.
Overrated: Palpatine. This guy was smarter than any Sith Lord before him, and was the only one to accomplish the Sith's goals. ONLY person. Revan didn't do it. Exar didn't. Marka didn't. Palpatine did. ONLY Palpatine.
you do realize that revan wasn't tryin to rule the galaxy, or take it over for "The Sith" but to build it up to save the entire galaxy from what he believed a more pwerful threat. and ya some people do look at revan and overrate him a ton but he accomplished alot and it was impressive to say the least no way in hell sidious could have done that.
Firstly bandon wasnt fighting a full power revan, revan was still regaining his power, and second I believe yoda and perhaps luke would slaughter revan.
Why defend the galaxy at all if its going to be messed up with the sith in control...revan is misguided I guess. Oh and sidious would have no trouble at all taking control of the galaxy if he lived in that time period, no need for stealth he would just walk in to the jedi council and kill all the jedi himself because from what Ive seen jedi were weak back then. The only trouble he would face is perhaps vandar but still hes no yoda.
Revan has less accomplishments than Palpatine? Yeah right. Palpatine conquered the galaxy by controlling the Republic and turning it, he didn't fight the Republic. Revan fought and defeated the Republic with his army. He had the galaxy at his feet but left to fight the ancient Sith empire. In either case, how would that help either of them in a fight? This is a versus forum, not who can conquer the Republic.
Revan has the highest level of Battle precog, has the Will power to resist the Dark side of an entire planet that no one else (not even Kreia) could resist, controlled a star, is perhaps the greatest tactician ever, has enormously high potential, plunders all the knowledge he could from the Jedi temples, he plundered tombs, relics, artifacts, and knowledge from a planet sized Sith storehouse of knowledge, learned dozens of ways to kill or turn Jedi/Sith, fights for 6 years straight as the leader of one of the main forces in the two different wars against powerful opponents, killing Mandalore and the strongest Echani, and was considered by Kreia (Revan's mentor who could kill three Jedi council members at the same time with one use of the Force) to be the heart of the Force.
Then he loses all that power and becomes a Jedi again, he plunders Korriban, including the tombs of four very powerful dark lords, gaining their artifacts, learning from Tulak's holocron, killing two tarentateks at the same time by himself when just one could easily kill a Jedi, he killed everyone in a Sith academy that he started, he killed the best bounty hunter at that time, a Sith Lord, he killed hundreds of dark Jedi and assassin droids, defeated and killed his apprentice Darth Malak at least twice in a row, and became even stronger than he was during his first reign (first paragraph).
Then he recovers all his memories and knowledge from Malachor V, the Jedi temples, etc. increasing his power greatly from the second paragraph, before he goes to fight the ancient Sith empire single handedly.
Now Palpy can't compete with those accomplishments in terms of power, not controlling the galaxy.
Oh, and I loved how you defended Palpatine right after you said he was overrated.
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1. Jaden defeated Tavion/Ragnos pretty quick. It was because of Jaden destroying the scepter that released all the Force energy that Ragnos had no power and Tavion's body couldn't withstand that. If your body was holding a huge amount of energy and a spirit and both were suddenly snapped off then your body couldn't take it and would shut down.
Next, Ragnos hasn't done anything whereas Revan for instance we can list a page of his accomplishments.
2. Bandon had less than a year of training from Malak. Yes he killed some Jedi but look at the Sith apprentices from the Star Forge, three of them killed 3 Jedi. And like someone else said, Revan was at maybe a third of his power or something like that. He still had the rest of that planet, the Leviathan, another planet, the unknown world, the Star Forge, and his full memories to come back before he reached his full power. I'm not saying Bandon's a wuss, he could probably kill some Jedi masters but I don't think he can compare to Darth Maul who was trained from birth to be a Sith Lord.
3. I think Tulak is too high because it's just one person saying he's good. Kreia sure as hell didn't know Tulak and we haven't seen Tulak do anything. Sure he's got to be somewhat strong, but rating him as one of the most powerful ever, like in the top ten is ridiculous IMO. I agree with you about Nihilus but Naga used Sith magic to destroy the star, so I don't know how much Force power that would take. Next, it didn't help him much in his fight against Ludo. Again, I'm not saying any of these guys are weak, but I don't think they should be rated in the top 10 for instance with the possible exception of Ragnos who should in turn, be at the bottom of it.
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Anything to back up that statement? Yoda has been time and time again said to be the greatest jedi of all time and Kreia killed 3 or their "masters" so easily it was pathetic.
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