It's said a Jedi cut it off. Kavar confronted Malak and was one of the best duelists. If it wasn't Kavar, it was an inferior duelist, which speaks even less for Malak.
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Have you read the other thread where I posted a reply to this? Its the only logical explanation. Besides Revan wasn't considered a Sith until he returned at the head of an invasion fleet, and Malak could have lost his jaw long time already when that took place.
Also logically speaking, Kavar couldn't have cut of Malak his jaw, because Kavar didn't even exist until long after Kotor. I know bullshit argument, but its clear that the creators of Kotor did not intent for Kavar to have cut of Malak his jaw and the most logical explanation is Revan in any case so it doesn't really matter anyway.
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A lot of things are changed at the last moment. Kavar not cutting off his jaw could have easily been retconned, particularly since we do not know of who did.
It is mentioned that Malak lost his jaw to a Jedi, Kavar is a likely candidate.
Likely the most likely, but still second to Revan who is far more likely to have done this. A few quick reasons i'll explain in a bigger post if you want later on tomorrow or something, I don't feel like it right now
We don't know how powerful Kavar was compared to Malak
Malak sustained a Mortal wound yet he survived, why would a Sith let him live, killing him would mean a higher rank
the only Sith that couldn't get a higher rank was Revan, ergo Revan decided to let him live, if a Sith was there when Malak lost his jaw
Malak and Revan once fought before.
If Kavar cut of Malak his jaw why would he have started running away? I mean he has no visible injuries, and there weren't any other Sith there that could challenge Kavar or make him stop, we know this because Malak survived. And any sign of weakness was a reason to strike like seen in the accademy on Korriban.
How could Malak have found the quick medical aid he needed if there were no sith around, and there weren't becuase he would be dead if there were.
Of course its possible that Revan was around watching the fight and ordered his troops to restore Kavar, but he would never have let Kavar leave also not fighting Kavar himself would have been a sign of weakness.
Now one could argue there were Jedi there as well, but they would have likely killed Malak, and unless Revan was there alone it would have been a battle between Jedi and Stih and Revan would still have killed Kavar who ran away wounded.
If Kavar had won the fight he wouldn't have been said to have lost the fight.
If he cut of Malak his jaw it would have likely been known.
I'll explain better tomorrow if you wish, I just think the possiblity of it being Kavar are very slim, if you wish to argue it is Kavar please adress these points or just tell me you wish to see more reasons which i'll post tomorrow.
I'm going to go over the mountain of assumptions you've made to get to your point, Fishy.
1 assumption. The person who did it was a Jedi, not a "Sith" as Revan was when they dueled for the title of Dark Lord. You have no proof that it was Revan.
2 assumptions. That's nonsense. Kavar was the leader of the Jedi Guardians, a Jedi council member, and Malak's superior before he went to fight the Mandalorian Wars. Because the one who cut off Malak's jaw was said to be a Jedi, and Kavar was among the best lightsaber duelists and confronted Malak personally, it is reasonable to believe that Kavar did it.
...Have you not been paying attention? A Jedi did it, not a Sith.
Again, a Jedi did it.
...for the title of Dark Lord, ergo they were already "Sith."
The circumstances of their encounter were never described.
Absence of proof is proof of absence?
3 assumptions. Nobody knows the circumstances of their fight! Why in God's name do you, then, assume that Malak had no backup?
Any sign of weakness? What the hell are you talking about? The Sith were not backstabbing each other constantly or else they'd never have put up an actual fight to the Republic.
4 assumptions. You have no idea what the circumstances of the fight were but you inject ridiculous extrapolations from wildly different scenarios to predict someone's behavior, and ergo assume that they must not have been there? Nonsense.
What?
5 assumptions, now? How the hell would you know if Revan was watching the fight? Nothing is known about the confrontation, Fishy, save this: Kavar confronted Malak, and was forced to retreat. The circumstances other than that very vague guideline are unknown.
If "one could argue that there were Jedi there" then one can argue that some faux Sith were there, too. If Malak can stand up to the best of them, what makes you think they would have killed him?
Actually, this part of your post is nearly incoherent at second glance. What the hell are you talking about?
Actually he was said to have been forced to retreat. 6 assumptions, now. The circumstances are unknown!
It is known that a Jedi did it. If it wasn't Kavar, that knocks Malak down a few notches.
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I don't remember Revan fighting Malak when he was a Jedi, that alone makes assuming Revan possibly could have done it an assumption. Assuming he did is doubly so.
Actually you're all wrong. Malak just broke his last razor because the stubble on his chin was too dark for any razor to handle, so he activated his lightsaber, but instead of turning it down to low power, he accidently set it to full power...Thus...we conclude that Malak lost his jaw in an unfortunate shaving accident.
It can happen folks! Sith are just that stupid.
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1) How was Revan superior except for his tactical mind? Might i remind you, that Revan was not on par with Kun, yes he craved knowledge and he lusted for power, but remember since most of the most powerful secrets of the Ancient Sith and Jedi were lost, Revan had no chance to learn any of them, You may say Revan was trained by the most skilled jedi masters who may have had the knowledge, but how? traya, Kavar, Vrook all those masters were either jedi knights or padawans, since they were around the age, of 20-30, none of them were true prodigies that ranked with The Jedi masters such as Odan-Urr and Vodo, the same jedi masters that got easily destroyed by Kun.
2) Where does it show Malak to on par with Ulic? He had lesser experience and neither did he have the tactic mind Revan possessed, Ulic, though reckless stalemated Exar Kun, a Dark Lord, who studied the Ancient Sith's secrets, who learned from various holocrons.
3) If indeed Revan is as powerful as you say, why did none of the Ancient Sith grant him recognition? and why was Kun accepted among the ranks of the Ancient Sith? The reason is that, in raw potential Kun surpasses Revan, in Lightsaber technique and skills Kun is superior to Revan.
4) If you want to base it upon feats, then ok yes Revan defeated the Mandolarians and he defeated Malak on the Star Forge, however Kun walked to Coruscant froze thousands of people, rescued Ulic, and killed Vodo, he also managed to keep thousand upon thousands of Jedi at bay, until he sacrificed all the massassi race to preserve his spirit.
5) Ulic and Malak: Ulic defeated mandalore when mandalore had every advantage, Malak fires upon Revan's ship when Revan is occupied and did not expect betrayal from malak, Ulic stalemated Kun, Malak lost to Revan on the Star Forge with his own powers boosted. In all these feats, Ulic displayes amazing powers while Malak displays pure cowardice.
Conclusion: In Lightsaber combat Exar Kun > Revan, Force Knowledge: Exar Kun > Revan and finally in the most impressieve feats Kun > Revan.
Conclusion 2: Lightsaber winner : Ulic Force Knowledge Winner :Ulic Feats: Ulic.
Feb 17th, 2006 06:45 PM
