Inamilist asked earlier, I was too lazy to go back and quote it. Scanners are fine, or Scoob and you would have had the tourney equivalent of a cripple fight.
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Now on to the last part of the man to man strategy
Cyborg and Wondergirl vs Spider Girl and Goblin
Now right as Blackfire and Steel arive so does cyborg and Wondergirl.
First of since your team is dazed from cyborgs enrgy blast they won't be able to be ready to dodge my attacks
especially green goblin who will be caught unaware by wondergirl and will be hit by a flurry of class one hundred punche safter the punches wondergirl wraps her lasso around him and finishes him off for good..
now while Wondergirl charges at Goblin Cyrborg launches himself at spider girl and nails her with a clas one hundred punch now hwle she ay be pretty durable she can't take to many punches of Cybrogs caliber and even if she is she will be taken in short time .
So there it is peole while my oponent does have a splendid team they just aren't in my teams leaugue I have 4 class one hundreds who can all move at great speeds while my opponent has no class one hundreds ( i don't know about man thing) and his team isn't that fats with the exception of spider Girls dodgeing abilities and Green Goblins glider which they both won't be able to use , m opponent also only has one flyer while my teams has three and affter taking goblin out my oppent will have not easy way of attacking my team.
So my friends the choice is simple vote formy opponents weak team unversatile team or my powerful and extremly versatile team the choice is yours.
Its your move Inamilist
I really don't see how you can counter my plan though none of your team has scanners so my team will certinally get the first attack which is all the time I need to put my plan in motion
so, we are in a square mile complex, you have one character blast sort of blindly in the general direction of man-thing and another use a high frequency sound weapon....
well...
i highly doubt that starbolt lands anywhere near man-thing, or any other members of my team. Blackfire has no scanners, and if her aim was even a fraction of a degree off, the blast would be nowhere near my team.
As for the soundwave, whatever decible of sound you pump out, its going to be entirely useless at this range. It would have to travel a mile. Even if some of it did, it would be at best a low range hum or a neglegable shockwave.
I'm really interested in why your soudwave doesnt render your entire team unconsious. Sound normally travels in a 360 degree radius. That seems like a great way to weaken the supports on your side of the complex....
well, even if the blast is anywhere near man-thing, which i doubt, spider-girl is faster and has a better spider sense than spiderman, just so happens she is standing directly in front of man-thing. If a blast were to strike them, she would give them some, not lots mind you, notice.
ive already described why the sound wont be effective at this range, but even if it was, spidergirl would evade it and Goblin is already flying high above man-thing, so, unlikely he gets caught in it
your initial barrage of randomly placed blasts would have done one thing that would have definatly helped my team. you gave me a fairly good idea of where they are
so, blackheath, knowing where to generally looks, finds the pollen and spores in the air and in your team's lungs.
Basically, blackhearth causes an asthmatic reaction in your team. I'm not sure if you have ever suffered from asthma, but, its fairly debilitating
would your team have time to make it to where my team is? debateable...
since your plan to take out blackheath is to attack man-thing, i dont see you stopping it however, so even if your team is capable of continuing to fight, they will be highly disadvantaged
so, goblin and spider go out ahead, blackheath and manthing follow
a mix of gas grenades, razor bats, pumpkin bombs and other goodies from goblin is probably more than enough to take out any one of the weakened heroes, especially if he uses a lunatic laugh. If nothing else, he can keep them grounded or busy until man-thing shows up and acidifys their faces
Spider-Girl has an even easier time, given her precog and speed. Ya, she aint as strong as a 100 tonner, but lets see one who is hacking up a lung even touch her. Besides, all she has to do is get one of them onto the ground or a wall and she can hold them there with her electrostatic field like she did to the thing (seeing as he is the strength limit)
Man-Thing is easily a class 100, and when he does find the broken mass of dman's team (provided the asthma, goblin or SG havent taken them first) he brutally pummels them, and disintegrate's their bodies
While your team may get a view where half of my team is its not goin to do them any good especially since Cyborg is imune to toxins and Wondergirl is a demi god and resistant to those types o things too so even if your team launches an attack it will only realy effect one person on my team and by the time you do Blackfire and Steel will be there fireing at blackhearth and Manthing which will go as I posted earlier.
Now even if your spores effetct Wondergirl she still is way more powerful then Green Goblin, and will dispatch him in a very short time. While cyborg will use his omni directional sound blasts and energy blasts to finish off Spidergirl.
Now this is just if your team has time to launch their own attack my I gotta tell you Inamilist they won't the startblasts fired at Man thing will hurt it and Blackheart and wll get spidergirl and green Goblin's attention.
And before they have any time to catch their bearings the sonic attack will hit them milleseconds aftter which hurt all your team especially Blackhearth who will feel the effetcs of the attcks on himself and he will feel man things pain and since Blackhearth seems to have nothing special in term of durability the sonic blast could take him out making it 4 on 3 in favor of my team and by the time your team catche stheir bearings again it will be too late and my team will be in their area, and since its 4 on 3 steel can either help Blackfire fight Manthing or obliterate Spidergirl with cyborg. ondergirl should be fine on her own.
Also Man Thing will be weakning since he isn't near any swamp.
also while Blackfire has no scanners steel does and he can tell her where to hit (man thing is a giant mass and will be easy for yborg and steel to see) so even without scanners she will be able to fire at man thing because of steel and Cyborgs scanners.
Last edited by dman2008 on Mar 13th, 2006 at 11:52 PM
I dont agree with any of your presumptions about either Blackfire's ability to make that shot or for your assumption about that soundwave.
at a mile distance she could probably see where manthing was, but, without a guided aiming system or some binocular vision, thats not a precision shot
and the soundwave, being as powerful as it is, would cause way more damage to your team than mine, if at the very least possibly collapsing your side of the building, or creating a sonic boom right in the midst of your own team, smart thinking
btw, sound takes 5 seconds to travel a mile, by then the waves wouldn't be very powerful, not nearly powerful enough to have the confusion effect you think they will
As to man-thing and blackheath, say you do rough him up with the starblast (even if your soundwave gets to him, it'll just rattle his mush, no real damage). man-thing is TOUGH. its gonna take more than a little blast to knock him down, secondly, Blackheath will certainly feel that man-thing is in pain, definatly empathise since he can communicate to plants on that level, but what bio are you reading that says he feels their pain...
the one i have says he has regeneration....
so, blackheath is not HURT by man-thing's injuries, and can regenerate injuries to himself (making himself grow)
ok, maybe cyborg isnt affected by pollen or spores, but i dont see why steel, wondergirl, or blackfire wouldn't be.
They all rely one the same respritory system, and, most importantly, the same imuno response. I think wondergirl would have an aweful reaction to the spores, considering she would have a super human immune system, and asthmatic reactions are a imuno reponse to pollen. If not, having chunks of pollen and fungus growing in your lungs isn't going to help you fight any better, if you can fight at all from your super strong lungs making super strong coughs
so, you do get up and manage to stager over to the GG, that makes this fight 2vs4 and you have sent cyborg after spidergirl and wondergirl (maybe at 50%) at GG, seperating the two of them
Goblin has a targeting system in his mask that allows him pretty good accuracy, and hes got some awesome projectiles, so even before wondergirl gets to the Goblin, she is taking a pumpkin bombs and razor bats.
but, im guessing wondergirl has superhearing along with all of her other super powers, and since the two of them are seperated from everyone else, Goblin can use his lunatic laugh, shattering her powerful eardrums, without harming the other members of my team
give the man some credit, no way wondergirl is going to take the GG when she can hardly breathe and is having her ears split. Goblin takes it from there, he has lots of firepower
So, Cyborg vs Spider-girl. he isnt going to lay a hand on her, she is way too fast, and her spider sense lets her know what is comming, not just when. So, the 360 degree shockwave might be effective, however, she is going to know about it and have time to react and vacate.
besides, since cyborg cant fly, she would just be able to use her static - electric feild and pin him to the ground
Thats a good point. So here is what i do. Plantman would generate swamp plant matter from the plants in Man-Things body. Effectively, he is bringing the swamp to man-thing.
so, any of wondergirls punches (She isnt beating the goblin in her weakend state), any of steel's punches or projectiles, any of Blackfire's starblasts, (Even though the last two are suffering major asthmaitic attacks) and any of Cyborgs blasts or explosions (Even though he is stuck on the ground being beaten by a girl) will be very quickly healed by man-thing.
since your strategy was, attack man-thing to kill blackheath, which wont work, and the majority of your team is incapacated, he would have no trouble rolling over all of them. Good old acid incineration
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Last edited by tsilamini on Mar 14th, 2006 at 05:01 AM
First off Cyborgs sonic attack only goes forwar allof my team is behind him so it won't effect them at all.
Secondly Blackfire will be wtaching Cyborg and since Cyborg is aiming at the first thing he sees which will probably bee man thing since hs is the biggest and slowest member on your team blackfire see where cyborg is aiming and fire once cyborg does and since light/enrgy travels faste then sound the energy will hit Man thing/Blackhearth first followed by the sound wave.
And since we all know man thing can't possibly dodge faster then light attacks he will ge hit and Blackheartt will feel his pain then sonic attack will hit taking out Blackhearth and greatly injuring the rest of your team ( Blackhearth only has human durability so he can't take to attacks like he will also feel the sonic attack twice rember once when he get hit and seconfly when Manthing gets hit he can't possibly survive that)
Since Blackhearth is gone their goes Man things power supply and your asthma strtegy Now Wondergirl is still class one hundred and Green Goblin is no match for her.
So after your "plant man" is gone your "great" plan falls a part do to your lack of power and dependnece on one character.
Also your team isn't going to get a chance to affect my team because once Blackfire fires steel and her will be off flanking so Blackhearth won't know where they were ( which doesn't matte rcaus ehe will be dead)
Hey i was just commenting upon what i saw , using asthma is a unique idea, personally i would have made a tree sprout from your chest like a Xenomorpth but then again thats me
Another thing Steel has internal dampenin fields that prtetc him against out side effects so the pollen would not affetc him either.
One last thig Starfire isn't human and posson thta afeect other human probably won't hurt her.
And rember Cyborg will be aiming when he firsts sees your team Man thing is the bigets and slowest person on your team Black fire will fire once she sees Cyborg fireing and fire wheere he fires.
Light/energy travels fatser then sound so the starbolts blast will hit before the sound blast.
Man thing will get hit by the blast and Blackhearth will feel his pain Man thing has no way of dodgeing it and before your team has a chance to react to the enrgy blast the sound blast will hit and blackhearth will be taken out.
you woudn't have a chance the star bolt blast would have hit man thing which would have hurt Blackhearth as well becaus eof his coonection to plantlife and then Hearth would be hit by the sound blst two times because he feels man things pain as weel and since he has human durability he would be taken out by those two attacks.
No more "plant man" for my team to worry about
Understand
I doubt Blackhearth could even withstand the sonic blast two times if the star bolt blast did not hit
you are relying on two effects that probably wont affect my team
im trying to find the difusion rate of sound over distance, but rest assured, anything strong enough to even reach my team is going to have a way more negative effect on your team?
why: even if the sound blast is linear, forward (This is also important for later, as WHY this wont be very effective, even if it goes far enough) it will still react with the fluid (re: air) that it is moving through. So, any force from your ridiculous 1 000 000 dB (let me point out that the sound created from a nuclear explosion is just over 250 dB) will cause MASSIVE change in the air around your team, in the form of a)vibrations b)Sonic Boom
with that attack you KO your team and destroy half the building, 5 seconds before the diffused sound wave even reaches my team
(I was slightly uninformed about dB levels earlier... im sure 1000000 dB could reach my team with some power, however, something that powerful is going to decimate dman's team along with the building he is on, not the wave itself, but the reaction of the air to having something of that intensity pass through it. 1 000 000 dB is unheard of, I doubt anything registers sounds of that volume, ESPECIALLY on earth)
so, either you are using a powerful soundwave that crushes your team long before it reaches mine, or you are using a weaker soundwave that diffuses itself to the point of a hum before it gets to my team... I'd actually like you to answer this point
and now why it really doesnt matter: its nowhere near goblin or SG, and they have the advanced warning of SG's spider sense. If the sound is in a straight line, sure, ill say man-thing still gets hit by it, 5 seconds after he is hit by starfire. Blackheath whips a vine out of his body and latches on to SG to get away, or to some random piece of the construction site. OR, Spider Girl just uses her static electric field to gravity "bounce" the two of them out of the way, so nobody gets hit.
Still, like i said earlier, its either ineffective or demolishes your team
now, for the starfire (I really dont like arguing the first nano seconds of a fight... but you seem to think you will win this in less than 10)
Blackfire can't possibly have "computerized" accuracy, as she isnt a computer. The best you have is her and Cyborg planning on where to fire... But that takes time.... Since Blackheath is connected to all life on the planet, he probably knows what mold spores are already in your lungs from years past as soon as we are in the field. Any time you take is just more time you give him to choke you out.
even if she makes the shot, perfectly aimed, before the pollen and spores trigger her respritory system, SG is standing in front of man-thing who is in front of blackheath. So, unless i go with the swing away or bounce out (which i dont think i need to, as blackfire does't have computer targeting) I can just have manthing take the shot and have blackheath recover his injuries.
The important things: Even if your 2 initial attack come in to hit my team, which I don't think they will, SG will know about them, since you fired tham at the same time, and be more than able to bounce man-thing and blackheath just far enough away so that they avoid any general harm. Goblin is flying above, he is uneffected by either.
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