Registered: May 2007
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You are a sock but why can't you just respond to me for your main account. I've never heard anyone in their thirties referred to as a geriatric but maybe you're not intelligent. Just log in from your main account and have a go at me. Don't hide behind sock accounts.
I have no choice. I was banned multiple times for stating facts regarding race, I don't intend to be banned again.
An old man compared to most people on here I'm afraid, it's sad. Ellimist will be settled down with a wife and kids by 38 and you'll still be here, bitching about Star Wars and Star Trek until your death.
Last edited by Pessimystic on Jan 3rd, 2018 at 03:05 PM
Registered: May 2007
Location: Best company on the planet
What do our real lives have to do with anything debating related ? I doubt the kid can get laid tbh. That isn't the point. I do agree the spineless one will run and hide the next time someone victimizes him. Always amusing to hear the irl arguments coming to change the topic because you know he's a coward. He agreed to a debate and then wants to puss out. All he has to do is man up. Simple.
tbh dragging one's personal life into any kind of argument is way more retarded than anything quanchi and ellimist can pull of
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Nobody did that. I didn't drag his "personal life" into it. He was being really fucking dirty and it backfired on him. Jesus, you guys are sad. You'll back up anyone just because you consistently agree with them, even if they fuck up.
Uhhhh, Neph, you literally did the *exact same thing* when you noted that I had PM'd you earlier trying to reconcile (which you labeled me "whining about how you were mean to me"). Like, even for you this hypocrisy is pretty transparent.
Anyway, here is Neph and The Lost's master plan:
1. The Lost apologizes to me
2. Neph starts poking at me out of nowhere
3. I retaliate with jabbing of my own (the lost then calls *this* "bullying")
4. The lost starts poking at me too (note: saying "oh you were clearly mocking a member about a thread, I'm going to now *ask for that thread* with no apparent defense or sympathy is not in good faith)
5. I send lost a Pm asking for clarification and he just gives a deliberate troll non-answer
6. I threaten to get lost to reveal the pm *he said i could reveal* but don't actually do it, in response to the above actions
7. ???
8. Profit!!!
What's missing:
- An actual argument
- Any explanation for your obsessive hatred for me because I dared disagree with you on something or because *gasp* I used a latin phrase when you thought I shouldn't have!
But, whatever. Instead of actually debating the material you decided to play one of the cringiest games of troll I've ever seen - that says enough, I think.
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Everyone who saw this interaction pan out can see clearly that the Lost's "grand plan" made him look more unhinged and like a sore loser than he was before. And it's not like these deceptive tactics are foreign to him. In the deleted thread that he "debated" me in, as oppose to refuting the raw data sheets presented, The Lost dug up posts from a random Alt Right Reddit account and told everyone the account was mine. It wasn't. Nevertheless, he's not the kind of person that can justifiably complain about exposing people.
As for the Lost claiming the Ellimist is a bully. Yes. We know that. And we still like him for it. If he wasn't an egotist he would be a boring dime a dozen intellectual. We certainly respect him over you, a 30 year old basement dwelling soy latte enthusiast.
So I have no interest in pursuing this absurd flame war with The Lost any further. He's pursued one of the most bizarre, cringey, incoherent troll jobs I've ever seen, something that you'd expect an emotionally unstable teenager to do - not someone who has apparently been here in one form or another since 2005. Let's just summarize what he's done in a slightly more elaborate manner now that I'm on my laptop (I'm not going to touch on the merits of our "debate"; I think I did that pretty clearly a few pages ago):
- During the debate Neph started making dubious accusations towards me, which were later revealed to be his misunderstanding of "former" and "latter" (e.g. thinking I said races were bad at something when "latter" was mapping to individual differences). The Lost credulously started nodding and agreeing with him, despite having not even seen the thread in question and before any break in civility between the two of us.
- During the debate I asked him a clarifying question on a definition as an aside to our overarching responses. He decided to be cute by playing a literal word game like in Lord of the Rings where the mines of Moria have the sign "speak friend, and enter" and it took a while for Gandalf to figure out that it literally means "say the word friend (in elvish)". I didn't decipher his masterful language at first, but then he clarified, and I moved on with my response to the overarching debate. One would think that would be the end of it - but then The Lost indignantly held this as some sort of proof of my "dishonesty" and would later use it as an excuse to bow out of the debate entirely. You might wonder what three short messages clarifying his position on something has to do with our ability to debate on the larger discussion - well, you'd be right to. It doesn't, and was one of the many bizarre troll (or not?) jobs I've seen.
- After having promised to destroy me on the topic, The Lost gives one half-assed reply and then quits because of the above figurative language nobody appreciated, me using the phrase "concession accepted" once, and me using a latin term for a logical inference (I'm not even being facetious - those were literally the three specific complaints he cited the most frequently), but sticks around to go on a hysterical flame-fest where he runs around to anyone who will listen and starts whining about me.
- The Lost "sends" what he later gloats to be a fake apology PM to me in which he gives me permission to share it publicly but asks me to consider not doing it. I vaguely say that The Lost apologized in private to two people I know, but tell them not to say this to anyone as I would accept it.
- Neph randomly starts jabbing at me by inaccurately describing a situation and saying everyone made fun of me for saying something stupid so I left the board (???).
- I jab back at Neph by saying people think he's a sh*t debater and I'm often his only defender out of pity. The Lost then goes at me for being a "bully" while egging Neph on, apparently oblivious or indifferent to the double standard.
- After The Lost asks to see the thread in a passive-aggressive tone, and when he responds to my PM asking for clarification with a trollish answer, I warn him on the forum that I could easily reveal what we had been talking about - which could mean anything (like him thinking Bane beats Sidious or something).
- The Lost then springs his Trap of Failure, where he reveals that he had planned this all along to reveal my "true character" to the forums or something. *Crickets* You would correctly wonder why he didn't spend this time and energy just responding to the damn debate.
But, whatever. The problem with you, Lost, is that you just aren't willing to debate arguments on their logical and empirical merits without getting emotionally riled up and diverting into incoherent bouts of self-righteous fury. You spent almost no time discussing the subject matter - you started a flame war on a conversation that I had been keeping civil, you employed petty syntactical excuses and traps to avoid having to actually engage with me in an intellectually honest manner. I understand that political topics can get charged, especially those around race, which is why I don't really discuss it in real life - but I was really hoping you'd engage me in an actual debate on the matter, because you had been hyping yourself up to have this vast trove of knowledge on the issue (and not some generic strawmen about how ethnicity is better).
You can accuse Ziggy of being a troll, which he is (not even an insult he doesn't pretend he isn't) - but your ratio of actual arguments to random shitposting is surely in the troll territory. I'm not going to waste time making new grudges or continuing this flame war - if you want to continue discussing this with me, do it over PM.
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