I'm confused, both Colossus and Thing are classed as class 100. So you'd put Namor in the low rung CL100s with WW. Ok... see between Namor and WW there is a significant difference in strength. Your system seems kinda flawed. Lumping together people with diverse levels of strength, while at the same time separating out people without any significance to the difference.
Is WW weaker than Superman? Yes but not sufficiently to be the deciding factor between them. I think the same of Captain Marvel
Colossus is listed as Class 100 perhaps in a handbook, but he has no feats to validate that listing. None.
They will never put a true class 100 on a team like Xmen.
He would just throw off the team dynamic.
And Namor is listed as Class 85 in handbooks iirc. He's been shown to be above that many a time.
Going by people he's beaten, yeah he's class 100.
Who has Colossus beaten thats of any note??
As someone once said, " Namor doesn't contradict the handbooks. Handbooks contradict namor."
So you think Cap may be a bit stronger, but her skill and weaponry grant her a slight majority?? If so, i have no issue with that.
I just don't try to see things that really aren't there.
I was simply asking where you'd put these characters which most people on the forums consider at the cusp of CL100 in your division because it seemed flawed, and still does. How about Alpha Flight's Sasquatch?
So Namor is to be lumped with the low or middle tier under your system? Does Namor beat Captain Marvel underwater assuming both can breath?
Superman is the only DC character with a true plethora of strength feats.
One of these is his supposed "punching a moon in half", which to me looks like the equivalent of me extending my arms infront of me and simply running through a wall.
Another is the holding the blackhole feat.
Another is the pulling of the Earth, which was doing something with the earth to prevent water damage,iirc. And that was split between 3 people.
He has others, but he sets the bar in DC. And the ones who i put in his category, have done similar if not better, or have hurt him just by punching him. No bullshits, like magical charges, just pure punching power.
Hulk has feats that set him above Superman, and while nowadays they are far and few between, they exist.
DC Earth as a whole, does tend to operate a level above. But when the majority of your books have uber bricks in them, of course the feats are going to be plentiful.
Marvel Earth has two hardcore bricks, and that is Thor and Hulk. Hulk hasn't been nearly what he once was, and Thors dead/sleep.
No, Namor doesn't beat Cap Marvel underwater. But then again, i see Cap and Superman as equals, and WW as a bit beneath either in stats. Shouldn't be a surprise there.
Can you honestly tell me, that were WW and Teth to be switched in Sacrifice, that he would've needed the knite ring?? Really?
Last edited by UniOmni on Jul 18th, 2006 at 02:22 PM
Yeah. Who was one of the other two?
Meh.. it really just seems like a Captain Marvel bias now. They're both significantly stronger than Namor, yet Namor beats her underwater but not him when whereas Namor can absorb electricity he can't absorb a sword.
You seem to always mention this when she didn't use the Kryptonite ring in the actual fight with him. He flew them right near to the sun. There was no charging of her fists either.
Its just that i've never seen her as an equal to Superman.
Thats how they've always been portrayed, from Precrisis to Post to Elseworlds.
She's only been in his range, but not on his level.
Superman killed her in S/B in about ten seconds. Can you really see that happening to Cap Marvel?
Cap MArvel vs Superman is always a stalemate. No so with Superman vs WW.
Batman is like Wolverine. Godly on so many levels.
Yep, thats the arc.
But while that maybe questionable, what about the arc when WonderWoman tried to fight Superman with her dagger, and he pretty much dismissed her?? Skill bedamned there apparently.
Already admitted it was questionable. But the arc in Superman, where she tried to destroy some machine, and he pretty much dismissed her efforts........Where was her so vaunted skills then?
Ok, I'm giving Wonder Woman her normal equipments..bracelets, lasso.
According to my opinion, When it comes to DC earth's most powerful HEROES not characters, mind you...I think both Superman and Cap Marvel tie at number 1 while Wonder Woman is a close number 2 even in strength. I'm not stating characters cos in terms of strength i think Black Adam might pip a little higher than Supes/Cap but that might be wrong cos Supes/Cap holds back often.
The Official Marvel Handbook, Avengers 2004 lists his strength level as 100 tons, Per wikipedia subject matter: namor...
but anyways I'd like to think maybe that the 85 is an average. Between namor being in, and out of water. if thats what your handbook is showing.
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From Marvel.com: Namor possesses a high level of superhuman strength, enabling him to lift/press up to 100 tons while in contact with water; his strength gradually decreases according to the length of time he is out of water and can eventually dwindle to no more than slightly above human level.
So far, only marveldirectory.com is the only source showing namor to be 85... and thats a kinda dated website. any other books you looking at?
You know... If Namor had ANY kind of intelligence, he'd keep a decanter full of sea water on his body at all times, since just by having some he heals up and gets strong again.
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Jul 18th, 2006 01:53 PM
So you'd put Namor in the low rung CL100s with WW. Ok... see between Namor and WW there is a significant difference in strength. Your system seems kinda flawed. Lumping together people with diverse levels of strength, while at the same time separating out people without any significance to the difference.
Superman and Batman jumped their asses when they weren't paying attention. 
