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The inevitable truth

I do hope everyone realizes that despite The Terminator series to be awesome, there is an inherent paradox that's so unavoidably evident from the first movie which makes the story impossible. Sarah Connor gets banged by Reese in the past, right? This gives birth to John Connor, the one who sends back Reese to protect his Mother. So see this? The first time line would have John already living. This means Reese would be born about the same age since they were when John Connor sent him back. In the first time line John was already born, but by whom? Anyhow, figured I'd point it out, awesome movie though.


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I didn't notice that. But i always thought that if you did travel in time it would make some kind of loop and connection with the past. Making it happen again and again. It is a true mystery

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It's an infinite loop. Kyle Reese was always John's father. There is no "original" timeline.

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Its the ol Chicken and the Egg situation here.


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Of course there's an original timeline, how the hell is there a past and a future unless there is a past and a future??? If there's a future, it's indicative of a past, and the PAST held John Connor having already been born, and being that linear time results in the future coming AFTER the past, John Connor didn't have Reese as his Daddy. And if you claim the time travel creates an infinite loop, time travel will have to have been completed in the FUTURE in the movie, which means that still, Reese is about John Connor's age, not JC's daddy, unless Sarah banged some infant.


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If you watched the movie you would have seen that Kyle had a photograph of Sarah. The same photograph is taken at the end of the movie. It's an infinite loop. That is the entire point. SkyNet is created because the Terminator is sent back in time. John is created because Kyle Reese falls in love with Sarah in the photo and goes back in time to meet her. The loop justifies it's own existence.

There never was any original father. It was always Kyle from the future.

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Haven't you notice the sad expression on her picture taken by the mexican boy? Something like "anybody can go insane thinking about this"...got it?


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others like coffee & vv can understand my point to all this


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Furthermore when Reese comments on the photo he says that Sarah looked sad and wondered what she was thinking about. At that very moment she is thinking about Reese after he died. Pretty powerful drama right there. Cameron was a master.

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And she also said "quatro" that suggests part 4 holding the key to all the secret.


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Didn't that mean the amount of money she was going to pay for the photo of her?


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Yeah the kid wanted five dollars, but she offered to pay for four. That's not a bad deal since Polaroids are around a dollar a picture anyway.

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lol haha. Polaroids. Last time i saw them was at a friend's McD's bday party way back in Primary school lol.


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lol, that scene wouldn't be the same with the kid using a digital camera... or his phone.


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The real hard thing for me to grasp is Terminator 2. How could Sara, John, and the Terminator alter the timeline. Wouldn't it be just as fluid and unchangeable as the 1st movie?


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Originally posted by chriscaffee
If you watched the movie you would have seen that Kyle had a photograph of Sarah. The same photograph is taken at the end of the movie. It's an infinite loop. That is the entire point. SkyNet is created because the Terminator is sent back in time. John is created because Kyle Reese falls in love with Sarah in the photo and goes back in time to meet her. The loop justifies it's own existence.

There never was any original father. It was always Kyle from the future.

OH YEAH. that picture was taken by that kid. she kept it. but john gave it to kyle in the first place didnt he?

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The real hard thing for me to grasp is Terminator 2. How could Sara, John, and the Terminator alter the timeline. Wouldn't it be just as fluid and unchangeable as the 1st movie?
The fact that they altered the timeline for judgement day is weird to me. Wouldn't that moment of the terminator returning in time be an unchangeable part of Johns life just like kyle being his father.


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That is a big problem with the second movie. The third movie compounds the problem even further. There really wasn't any room for a sequel. Maybe a movie leading up the future war or during it, but the way T2 and T3 were done, they really don't mesh at all with the original movie.

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Its ridiculously clear that James Cameron never wanted to see anything beyond T2. There was so much closure that it in theroy should never have been recovered.


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Its ridiculously clear that James Cameron never wanted to see anything beyond T2. There was so much closure that it in theroy should never have been recovered.


What about the arm that got torn off in in between the two steel cogs in the steel mill ?

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