The funny thing is.... I know more about both J'onn and Magneto than Sol does.
Magneto wins this. In all of his incoherent posts about J'onn's vision, he's ignored the evidence I've given him, and kept on saying the same things w/o a lick of proof.
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If he is aware that mm is coming then how won't he get his shield up?
He's not there yet.
And who cares who has faster reactions.
Mags is not reacting off of mm. He simply gets his shield up regardless of what mm will do.
Nothing you have shown destroys my Martian Vision victory, literally nothing. You have shown electricity, you have shown a scan where it literally says Magneto strains to contain part of a blast etc etc.
Nothing and I mean nothing in your scans shows a Magneto with no powers active getting ready for combat. More to the point you haven't shown me Magneto surviving a 10,000k blast from lasers with no powers active.
You have shown things that have no numerical values except your guess work on the values themselves.
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Last edited by Soleran on Oct 22nd, 2006 at 12:09 AM
Actually, I've shown him taking several nukes to the face w/o any shields up, being taken by surprise by them. He was using magnetokinesis to shove them upward. They then exploded on him. He was caught by surprise, and didn't have any shields up.
I also showed him creating nuclear fusion right in front of his face w/o any shielding up either. Apparently, it can't burn him.
Please, Sol, your arguments are FLAWED to say the least.
You haven't shown anything to combat against the blood pulling argument.
Hell, I even showed you a scan of J'onn getting owned by Dr. Polaris using that method. Dr. Polaris is like a much weaker version of Magneto.
The problem here is that I'm using actual evidence, while you're going off on a random ass tangent that you pulled out of your ass.
Magneto wins.
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Last edited by batdude123 on Oct 22nd, 2006 at 12:26 AM
Your scan flat out said he was controlling the blasts he didn't just take the blasts.
That would be your assumption becuase it never said he didn't have shields or containment up
Why should I, MM is faster and would dispatch Magneto before that is possible.
I cannot fix PIS however that doesn't make it any less PIS
Nothing you have shown specifically states in the scans what you are attempting to pawn off in this discussion. You say lightening is hotter then the sun and Magneto survives it (it can be however you are assuming the temperature in this discussion as it isn't stated) you said Magneto is holding a fussion reaction in front of his face with no shields (however it doesn't state if Magneto has shields up or not however the reaction isn't expanding and you assume he doesn't.)
Then you said Magneto's reactions are slower then J'onn then backpeddle that stating Magneto's reactions are faster then human (which um he really hasn't shown)
Martian Vision for the win still as MM's reflex's are just faster then Magneto's, thats just how it is.
Last edited by Soleran on Oct 22nd, 2006 at 12:49 AM
Look at it again, Sol. It says that Magneto was trying to "subtly, gently divert them into the upper atmosphere."
Then "UNAWARE that the missiles were programmed to react to the first sign of Magneto's power.... and detonate."
He was completely taken by surprise with the nuclear blasts going on right by his face. He didn't have any shields up. He took them w/o damage at all.
Get some reading comprehension skills, Sol.
No, that's not my speculation at all. Look at the scan, Sol. When he has his shield up, there's an aura around his body, or something that indicates a shield around his body.
All that was shown were the electromagnetic waves he was using to draw in atoms of metallic particles floating in the air, and fuse them together. RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS FACE.
It's funny... Magneto can actually fly a lot faster than J'onn can. His reflexes are also good enough to catch a speedblitzing Northstar right out of the sky. That's more impressive than anything I've seen from J'onn's reflexes before.
And all I'm saying he has to do is summon a shield. You're trying to tell me J'onn would end the fight before Magneto can simply do THAT. Quite retarded, actually...
And here's something interesting I've found. Here, we see Magneto at first w/o a shield up, then as Dazzler shoots her light wave beam towards him (obviously, AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT), he conjures up a shield quick enough to stop the blast. Interesting, no?
Um the rest of that says "Magneto struggles desperatly to minimize the force of the nuclear reactions." I certainly don't have a reading comprehension problem, you have a probably quoting all the relavent materials, YET AGAIN. Magneto was controlling the force of the blasts he wasn't taking two nukes to the face straight up.
Yes he was doing that and it does look like he is shielding the reaction itself, if you don't see that then you are more blinded by your Magneto Fanboyism then ever. Magneto doesn't have durability to withstand a fusion reaction, he never has.
When we start talking about flight speed this might become relavent as it stands J'onn has taken on White Martians and they are VERY fast, hence J'onn's reactions are beyond Magneto. Since Magneto is also able to see into the EM spectrum it makes it near impossible to sneak up on him as the case with Northstar, this fight with J'onn is under a different set-up.
And all I'm saying is that J'onn's reactions are faster then Magneto's and all J'onn has to do is fry him, game over.
Yeah it's not like Dazzler just popped a light speed attack on Magneto (um no) she built up her power while Magneto watched, he KNEW what was coming.
1.Since Mags didn't know the blast was coming he had to have super fast reflexes in order to control the blasts. This actually defeats your argument.
2. Also what defeats your argument is that
Forum rules state that planning before the bell is allowed. Magneto would just plan to instantly put up a shield at the time of the bell. Reflexes has nothing to do with anything. Magneto doesn't have to react to put up a shield as a response to a reacting to a vision blast. He just puts one up when the bell rings.
Thanks for proving my point on his fast reflexes. He was unaware that they would explode right in his face, Sol. That's something even your crappy-ass logic can't deny. Once they exploded in his face, he reacted quickly in order to contain the blast.
Sol, my God, look at it again. He's using the electromagnetic fields to draw in metallic particles out of the air and fuse them right in front of his face. He has NOTHING around his body at all, and there's no proof of what you're trying to tell me. Nothing to indicate that he was containing the fusion at all. All it says, is that he was using the electromagentic fields were used to draw in the atomic particles out of the air. NOTHING MORE.
Again, talking about what you have no clue about. White Martians aren't even that fast. Hell, Batman didn't have many problems with taking a few out. You gonna try and tell me he can take on MAGNETO? You're basing the assumption that J'onn has faster reflexes than Magneto on an absolutely shitty point. And Northstar didn't sneak up on Magneto at all. He was speedblitzing Magneto right in front of his face.
Yeah, too bad you have nothing to go on with your half-assed assumption that J'onn has faster reflexes than Magneto. Magneto could take J'onn's heat vision with friggin ease before he puts up one of his shields. That's all it would take.
*sigh*
Sol, you're grabbing for straws when there's absolutely nothing for you to grab. She was building up her sound blasts when Magneto didn't have his shields up. Notice how the people are clapping for her, while Magneto is speaking to her w/o a shield up. Then as she shoots the blast at him, he somehow manages to get a shield up in time. Fascinating, isn't it? Your interpretation of scans just absolutely SUCK.
Sure, if Magneto just stood there like an idiot.
Magneto wins.
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Oct 22nd, 2006 12:03 AM
He was caught by surprise, and didn't have any shields up. 
The scan clearly stated that Martian blood is naturally richer in iron than human blood.
White Martians aren't even that fast. Hell, Batman didn't have many problems with taking a few out. You gonna try and tell me he can take on MAGNETO? 
Notice how the people are clapping for her, while Magneto is speaking to her w/o a shield up. Then as she shoots the blast at him, he somehow manages to get a shield up in time. Fascinating, isn't it? 
