the young clark was pointless... thats why him having glasses is pointless as well even if it doesnt make since becuase Clark didnt have glasses until he decided to be Superman
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They were very careful this time on every aspect...the air waves when he flies...the hair moving...the heat vision varies...and he needed the glasses during his development. He reached full power after being adult.
yeah good point.Superman was not at all in the same catagory of Batman.It was imperative and absoultely neccessary for them to restart the batman franchise all over again because all the batman movies before it were all horrible and not at all loyal to the comic where Batman Begins erased all those horrible memorys of the nightmare franchise of those crappy burton/schumacher batman movies.Superman already had two great superman movies made loyal to the comicbook so geez,leave it alone at that for god sakes.
Instead of building off the Pre-Crisis Superman Christopher Reeves movie, they should have just re-started this franchise as well. I heard Kevin Smith had an awesome scripte all written, and Singer tossed it in the can.
I lost respect for Singer for that. I like what he did with the x-men, but I can't believe he did Superman this way. It was my least favorite movie of 06. I think that says something, because I got dragged to Hoodwinked.
Well, more to the point: when in Superman 2 did Clark have the time to screw lois, 'cos at the end he somehow mindwiped her... and how do you know he didn't use a condom or whatever? 2 points say he could've had protection:
a) condoms are only 97% effective
b) Maybe he has "super sperm" meaning they literally could punch through the condom/ femidom...
See my point? if this was the case, he would have no reason to suspect a pregnancy... though his departure to Krypton must have been incredibly fast in time for Lois to meet richard, fall for him, get engaged and get married, all in time to have the faintest possibility that Dick was the father... so, yeah, the plot was as holey as Jesus...
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Re: The Plot-Holes of Superman Returns
My turn at some of these.
This argument first and foremost makes a large leap in logic to say that because Superman slept with Lois, he then KNEW she was pregnant when he left for Krypton.
First it's stated: "Superman not only knew that he had sexual intercourse with Lois, but did so without protection. Thus, in the back of his mind, he KNEW that Lois stood a chance of getting pregnant."
Followed directly by: "Thus if Superman knew, and Lois knew, then they would both know that they would be expecting a child within the next 9 months."... a total change in character.
This is then followed up by the idea that he MUST have known, and wouldn't leave her like that "since he's not that kind of person", and that Lois could have taken a pregnancy test to find out and would have told him.
The logic is quite flawed.
Following through the events of Superman II, Superman gives up his powers and sleeps with Lois. (she is impregnated here, though none of the characters or the audience knows it yet)
They travel back from the fortress of solitude, and eat at a diner, and Clark gets beat up.
He goes and gets his powers back.
He fights the evil Kryptonian villians and saves the day.
He "super-kisses" Lois, and she forgets who he really is.
I don't see her in that time frame taking any pregnancy test, nor is it reasonable to assume that she did so off-screen, considering all that had happened.
As for Supes, he doesn't "know" she's pregnant, and she doesn't say anything to him before he leaves.
He very may have left within the next 3 days or week, since he didn't "build" a new spaceship, but rather took the Kryptonian one that he arrived in back home. (or he "grew" a new one at the Fortress of Solitude with the crystals, take your pick.)
He even says to Ma Kent "I put the ship in the barn."
Seems to me that it's the same ship from Superman I, it certainly looks just like it.
So that answers the question: "How could Superman not know that Lois was pregnant?"
It does not, unfortunately answer the question of what Lois must have thought by the end of Superman Returns.
Obviously upset at supermans departure, it's reasonable to assume that she met Richard White at the Daily Planet within 2 or 3 weeks after Clark leaves, and that in her sadness looks to him for love and comfort and that they slept together about a month after Superman left.
She might not know that she was pregnant for up to another month or two, and at that point, with her memory erased and in a new relationship with Richard and having sex, she would just assume it's his kid.
Funny thing is, by the end of the film she knows that Jason is Superman's son (at least we all do, maybe she doesn't but she surely suspects), and so he must have boned her and then wiped her mind.
Parker... you're such a dumbass sometimes. Its pretty blatant that the first 2 Supermans were not totally loyal to the comics. the two points that spring to mind are the whole flying wrong way round the earth to turn back time and his "super-memory-wipe" kiss...
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Meh - I think the biggest plot hole will all of the movies/comics - is how in the world could Superman be attracted to a whore like Louis( I mean come on - she's obviously been around the block - how many big city reporters(females) - haven't slept with a man(or woman) to get a good story?)
And casting Margot Kidder as Louis only added to this whorishness persona. She was pretty nasty chainsmoker(as the character Louis and in real life) I bet you Reeves had to use a whole gallon of mouthwash, and two boxes of tic tacs - just to get that taste out of his mouth, after the kissing scene(in fact - I heard a little rumour that Reeve didn't want to do a 5th movie, because it required another love scene with Kidder, and the studio couldn't afford the lifetime supply of tic tacs Reeve requested, as well as they could not make any promises about Reeves contracting STD's..He..He..*joke*).
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most people don't care, singer used the word "loosley" in his description of how this film connects with one and two of the series... go home you guys suck ass
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Getting back to debunking these.
One possibility:
Clark Kent had weak eye-sight as a child, and in the flashback scene we see him exploring his powers.
Now he's already powerfull when he arrives on earth, but it makes sense to say that he becomes more powerfull through his child-hood and teen years, as he absorbs more solar energy into his body. (the relationship of solar energy to Superman's powers is demonstrated quite plainly in the scene where he goes above the clouds for a quick recharge.)
So I'm thinking that as a kid he had weak eyes, and then he became more powerfull and didn't need them anymore. (think Peter Parker in the first Spiderman film)
He discards them for high school (the only time we see him in Superman '78, something the skeptic is forgetting) and takes them back on for his disguise as an adult.
But the scene in superman returns has him at about 13 or 14 I'd guess.
This isn't clearly explained, since you'd need the rip-off of Spiderman's scene where he holds the glasses up to his face and they're blury. But it's hinted at in the barn where the first time he realises that not only can he run fast and jump far, but that he can also fly, you see his glasses fall to the ground next to him.
He no longer needs them.
Even if I'm wrong, which I could be, this is hardly a plot-point to get all worked up about.
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Well this one isn't too hard, and I think was already covered by a few folks in here.
He's affected by the stab, and by the piece in him.
We see this, as he can't really swim and is drifting in and out of consciousness.
Lois removes almost all of the piece inside, in fact in the hospital later on the doctor pulls out less than the size of a quarter.
He is probably weakened, and feeling tired by this small sliver and would maybe get very sick if it were left in for weeks at a time, but it takes a significant amount of kryptonite, the size of a full knife or baseball, to actually kill him. (using the movies as cannon, as Singer did.)
As I said, Superman is weakened and tired out by the small piece so he heads up to the sun for a re-charge.
This re-charge coupled with his sheer will-power and determination to stop the continent before he dies is a sufficient explanation as to the small piece not stopping him.
(and he does believe he will die, that this is his last act, as evidenced by the way he says his final "Goodbye, Lois." in the plane)
So that's for the piece inside.
As for lifting a continent of kryptonite....
He doesn't.
He lifts a continent with kryptonite inside of it.
He burrows far beneath it using his heat vision, and lifts it from below.
As it goes higher into space pieces fall off, and the kryptonite starts to come through.
This affects Superman, as we see his hands bleed.
It hurts him.
He makes the final push, and falls to earth.
Depleted, all his solar energy gone.
The effort, the small piece of kryptonite inside of him, and the exposure to the under parts of the continent nearl do kill him.
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Nov 25th, 2006 04:18 AM
That's actually a pretty good point...
