No, it won't... not one person on our team will be fooled by holograms... Vulcan can detect and manipulate all forms of energy... hell, he could probably change the holograms into images of OUR team, and send them back at your guys...
Superman? come on... the guy can see in pretty much every spectrum, and his combat reactions are on par with almost any of the top tier guys in comics...
when you sent surfer after Vulcan, you also, in my opinion, confirmed one of our most basic ideas, that Vulcan would SLAUGHTER superman blue one on one... maybe you should ask rewmac what he thinks of surfer getting past Hal to get to Vulcan...
and in case people are wondering why I'm so convinced that superman blue will be wiped out by Vulcan, well i have just a couple of scans, showing another energy manipulator, making superman blue, to coin a phrase, 'his b*tch'. i honestly don't see why Vulcan couldn't do the same thing...
I'm sorry, but seriously, you seem to be awfully confident that in twenty minutes of prep superman blue will be able to just create a way to bypass current superman's bio aura... and given that the last time superman blue was around was 1997, i really don't believe he'll be able to do it... superman has changed over the last nine years, who knows what changes his aura has undergone?
and how many times has atom succeeded?
and this is still, despite the fact that superman has a big green shield around him, specifically tailored to stop kryptonite?
still on the subject of supes bio field, i think believing you can penetrate it so easily is a massive leap of faith, and even with k-armour, whats to stop Vulcan (after dealing with superman blue, I'm sure he'll have a minute to spare) from just sucking in that radiation, manipulating it and sending it back to superman in the form of yellow sun radiation? and kryptonite armour is still vulnerable, whether its composed of pure energy or not... if its energy, Vulcan can remove/manipulate it, and if its physical? well, a quick blast of high level heat vision wouldn't go amiss...
supes has dealt with kryptonite wielding enemies for years, i really don't see how union, even with all his power, is going to be that different... and the bio field thing, again, is a bit hit and miss imo...
Surfer won't get to Vulcan.
Until Hal is on the team and he is making Surfer busy it won't happen since the ring is on auto-fire/auto-protect.
Meaning the ring will realise it's only holograms and will find the real one as soon as Hal learns it a hologram.
At let Vulcan take care of the holograms.
GL only needs to think about it.
Like here the ring showed The Shark to Hal Jordan. Who was invisible.
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As far as i can recall the only feat, Vulcan has displayed so far are shunting/draining off energies, deflection, forcefield and this..
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?...ansearchgw7.jpg
searching of ships by sensing powercells, see how he has to concentrate to track down there energy powercells, unlike the way Surfer/BSupes CA/Spectral version... Given more experience he should be able to detect exotic energies but right now im not convince... He gets fooled, even for just a slight and its all Surfer needs..
Superman vision only covers x-ray, microscopic, telescopic, and infrared.. In no means he can see highly more exotic energies.. I guess he could use super hearing but then i again he knows nothing about this opponent, not knowing if he fallows normal human phisiology..
No theres a reason why we've sent SBlue against Hal himself, but Nino is going to cover that..
Yes, im quite confident of it for the very reason that Surfer is there assisting w/ Sblue.. Surfer is capable of converting most or all forms of energy to anything he so choose and w/ BSupes knowlege shared, it is quite possible. Also it help that this 2 are scientest themselves..
Regarding Supeman shield cast by Hal, it dont really matter since whether BSupes/Surfer meets Hal both is capable of feats below, they shared info via prep time..
Hal's rings quite a few time been shown to be weak against electromagnetic...
The diff. w/ Union is that he is capable of increasing the radiation level of kyptonite, Supes never faced someone like that w/ the exception of Captain Atom and in that match he went down quite easy..
Thats the point! you guys being occupied even slightly; Vulcan trying to make sense of the situation, Hal firing against the hologram, it buy's as a little time to formulate our battle plan..
That is totally a diff. scenario, 1st off Hal knows where sharks power is derived from it being the yellow impurity, the power rings weakness at that time.. None of those is present in these match up; no yellow impurity the power ring can manipulate to Hals advantage..
I removed stuff about Blue again from Roldz' post. Some of it is referring to Surfer doing similar things as Blue, so it's tricky, but at least some of it was directly realted to Blue, which isn't allowed.
...so I tried to make sure everything stayed unless it was directly abotu Blue.
Sorry again Rolzy, but you keep walking the line and just crossing a bit too far.
As I said holograms won't really work. Since the ring would detect it isn't real. You guys are coming again and again with holograms. Hal could counter holograms alond he could just make make green raiders with armor and weapon to aid him. Hal isn't the type of guy to shoot on holograms and again the ring is opn auto-fire holograms won't fool the ring itself which reacts to protect and counter attack on it's self now since Hal wanted it to do it.
Even if Surfer is coming with Power Cosmic blast Green Lantern can make a shield against these blast.
Surfer's energy skills are respectable and the holograms you seems to trust in most are also good...
But you know the Power Ring works on will power. Hal is one of the strongest in the universe with the willpower. So it only takes him to really want to counter a move.We saw Surfer is good on taking energy shots but he cannot really take a big beating and Hal can (in my oppinion he can) put Surfer in a box while he is fighting the big creature I mentioned and showed in my last post.
This is possible since you wanted Surfer to get Vulcan. Surfer is stopped by a big emerald monster. He starts to fight that thing (what else can he do) Hal just shoots out a beam and put Surfer and a box and just make the box smaller and smaller and giving him regular beating inside by power made fists,axes,hammers and blasts. If Surfer tries to phase through it or drain it's energy Hal could just stop it and recreate it in less then a second or shoot beams at him.
Also note : Hal's ring works on yellow now.
For a little proof if you don't believe what I'm saying...
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Well i quess ill post again; Just to clarify things i said on previous post, most of this are probably repeat but what the hell this just my 2nd post..
Since Vulcan need requires to concentrate in order to detect energies, it would take him sometime to figure out those hundreds of holograms.. http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?...ansearchgw7.jpg
Ive yet to see Superman detect exotic energies so i presume he cant unless proven wrong and theres hundred of em..
Hal could but since there are a alot of em to scan thanks to BSupes/Surfer it would still take time to find the real onces and Surfers holographic projection has fooled Galactus himself a being whose capable off perceiving all..
So what Nino's plan of attack would'nt be happening because Surfers already taken out Vulcan..
Silver Surfer
From afar Surfer blitzes those boardbombs at near light speed toward the preoccupied Vulcan looking for my team against a the holograms.
If in someway Hal finds the real surfer and goes after him, his as easy capable of this BSupes feat through there TP link in there prep time...
And let BSupes handles him.. http://pictures.greatestjournal.com.../5866457/536647
Surfer helps assist his other team after beating Vulcan, quite rather fast if i might add...
Union:
Union takes the fight to Superman, his K-rad armor and bio-field staff would be of a great advantage against Supes..
Unions can as easyly increased the radiation level of that armor to much higher degree weakening Superman..
With his bio-staff, that would pass through Superman bio-field his near quite capable of taking him out.. Now we are quite sure that this bio-field staff made during our prep works for reason of BSupes knowledge of it w/ help from Surfers ability of energy conversions this can be done.. Ive never heared changed or mutated to diff. forms as far as i can tell its always been desame since before the conception of SBlue..
Regarding the armor see SBlue fight against Hal..
Supes Heat vision can be deflected back by Unions armor or Staff..
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You just said you where going to autofire in our holograms on your battle plan and 2ndpost, still the rings detection capabilities is not that fast, remember when he was scanning for how many manhunters in there world, it took some time for the ring to respond..
Anyhow all we need to fool is Vulcan even slight and ive proven it above post.. We take im out and the rest goes down..
No doubt Hals will is great but it helps him little when our team is capable of this attack.. And him unable to properly focus and making those construct useless.. http://pictures.greatestjournal.com.../5866457/536647
See above scan.. We all know GL have auto shielding but that feat worked on Kyle meaning it went through his autoshielding + we all know Kyles ring is far more powerfull than Hal himself.. So all these Hal made construct is useless..
It really dont matter if the rings has no weakness of yellow impurity or not cause right now its not in our plan..
Scan doesn't work. Hal doesn't have to scan the hole world just an area about maximum 1 kilometers.
The ring is stupid it won't fire at holograms...
Parallax's inflounce in Ganthet's body was unable to put Hal's will down.
The constructs are only useful if Hal's if the Power Ring power is overcomed. Now as far as I'm concerned Hal is able to attack from multiple sides and able to attack multiple enemies.
Even though it was an accident can it can be remade of course with the same power.
I simply can't see how do you want to take down Hal you haven't really explained anything to me...
Surfer isn't going anywhere near Vulcan. Hal can get into his way and any of my mentioned methods would work on the Surfer. Hmm... Why do you want Vulcan so badly...Vulcan battling BSupes.
GL can travel about the same speed in space as the Surfer in a battle...
Here is something for ya : Nobody was able to catch the Flash only one man Hal...Guess he could more than possibly catch The Surfer
this is kinda what i meant about this post, you guys say that Vulcan is gonna take out Bsupes, but it shows that he can't be THAT easily manipulated and that in the time that it takes Vulcan to realize the holograms are fake (because it's gonna take some time for Hal to say so, not saying the ring won't tell Hal automaticly) Bsupes already rushed him, and phased through him disrupting his powers, long enough so that he could pay attention to Hal and do this: (this is the scan Roldz keeps talking about)
It's Kyle and MM testing Bsupes power set, Supes holding up at least 10,000 kilograms with an energy field, then superman explains that GL constructs are nothing but solid light images of what they are thinking, then he says all he has to do is disrupt the electromagnetic impulses in his nervous system, and proceeds to do so. Kyle says "Hey...wait, can't focus" and the construct starts to dissipate.
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Still Hal needed to scan the holograms and relly this information to Vulcan, the exchange of information between the two would likely take more than a few second, this should be enough time for Surfer to act out the plan..
Another thing thats going for us is our speed advantage, now Hal and Supes could most likely hang out w/ the speed our team function, Vulcan i think not.. That in mind even if the holograms fail, we are still able to follow the plan..
Surfer attacks Vulcan from a far and when Hal's intercept BSupes would not be far behind, all the team need's do is move faster outside Vulcan Battle speed.. Hal needs counter us by matching our speed other wise hed be a setting duck but doubt he could counter 2 of our fastest team, Surfer easyly removes himself from this fight making it BSupes vs Hal as planed..
Surfer a far then blitz those phase board bombs toward Vulcan, I can fallow it up with another attack but i doubt Vulcans got any defense against those, going at near light speed.. If by some coincedense that he somehow activate his ability to slow/stop time on given area all Surfer needs do is fire a barrage of energy blast. Now once it enter given area, the blast slows down but Sways powers has its time limit, Vulcans toast after that..
If Hal still kickin against his fight w/ BSupes, Surfer comes and assist his teamate;
1st off he amps his strenght goes h2h but avoid the construct, GL armor cant take too much punishment specially against 2 extremely amp cosmic being, after that he pulls out the hocus no focus move
completely breaking the armor and they beat Hal to Submission..
After the team takes out Superman if his still alive in his encounter against Union..
He still needs to scan it and let his teamate know the real one's, it takes more than a few seconds to do this, its all what my team needs to face off against our target..
Surfer easyly erects magnetic fields against any blast from Hal and redirect it, he got this info.. from BSupes during prep, its taken from JLA member files...
WW, Superman, MM, Kyle, Green Arrow did it...
Thats it for now... Nino probably post how he takes out Hal..
As facing Surfer the ring can scan for weakspots and we all know if someone starts to drain his power he is dying to. Quasar did the same he just messed up because he threw it right back at him. There is no reason Hal couldn't do it.
I don't see why you are afraid facing Jordan with Surfer...
Since BSupes isn't going anywhere. He is kind stuck with an energy manipulator.
You can amp up your strenght. Hal can do that except Surfer showed that he can't reall take a natural beating. He can take energy blasts okay but good old beating nooo. Hal can create an armor big and strong enough to squeeze the life out of Norrin Rad.
And I see you couldn't really get my scans of the catching Flash stuff. Nobody there and then were unable to catch the Flash. So if you are going against Vulcan which you want so badly Mr. Rad is going to be caught by a big green aura.
As for the fight against Surfer here and now you won't be able to break the focus of Hal. Hector Hammonds were able 2-3 times but that's it, Hal could resist it.
You seem to think that we are slowpokes or our team is going to wait for yours to attack. What do you think about this...
Ring tells him : Hal these are holograms...
Hal just flies through them (not slowly)...While he flies the ring detects where are the real ones. As for now I'll see it 2 seconds not more.
You think you can take you my team in 2 seconds?? Interesting thought actually.
But no I think you can't. I have two veterans who faced more danger and costume change in their life they won't be fooled that easy. You seem to think that Hal is some kind of rookie. Well he isn't.
Saturday will be the last big push, so in the interest of keeping things moving I'd advise anyone to start making closing arguments and judges to start perusing everything (if they haven't already) and coming to a decision.
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Jan 9th, 2007 04:09 PM
against his fight w/ BSupes, Surfer comes and assist his teamate; 
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