KMC Forums - Batdude's Tourney Match #3

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Originally posted by Soljer
Alright, I hating voting first, but perhaps I'll get lucky, and while I'm typing this, someone will come in and vote under me.

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Teams:
So, we have Digi and Scoob representing Adam Warlock, the Space Phantom, and Thor.

versus

Souja and MartianMind repping the Juggernaut, Beta Ray Bill, and Captain Atom.

I'm kind of liking Souja's team better. I mean Space Phantom? Who the hell is that? Adam Warlock? He isn't even midtier without the soul gem! .

Just kidding Digi, don't ban me.

Regardless, my first impression of the teams matters little. I knew how Digi and Scoob operated, and knew they'd have something quite impressive planned.

I was right.

Prep:
Soul Link! Genius. When I first read that, I knew I was going to be in for a treat. All of Digi's team would have the experience, fighting ability, and knowledge of Doc Strange, Thor, Masterson Thor, and the Silver Surfer. That is Eon's of experience, added in a flash. That alone would be great, but when they have the space phantom take the form of the Surfer, he already has all of Surfer's knowledge and experience in ADDITION to his power.

And let me address that, now, my opinion on the 'controversial' topic brought up near the end of the match. It really does seem as if digi and scoob have defending their strategy. There seems to be no reason that the space phantom couldn't take the form of the surfer. If it's because he taps into a well of infinite energies...well..hasn't the Phantom taken the form of the Hulk?

I'm not saying that the Hulk and Surfer are comparable, but hasn't it been said that the Hulk draws his strength from an infinite interdimensional source?

Meh. As far as space phantom goes, I think that Souja and Martian Mind wasted a few posts near the end trying to argue against it. Maybe I'm the one who is mistaken, though, I dunno.

Anyways, moving on.

Thor and Warlock now both have the durablility of the Surfer added to their own. Not to mention his ability to call on additional Strength. This compounded with Adam and Strange's martial arts abilities, and the INSANE mobility the Surfer has on his board (dodging meteorstorms at lightspeed?) make Digi's team a force to be reckoned with, even on the physical playing field.

Now, Souja's and MM's opening strategy:

Not nearly as complex or intertwined as Digi's and Scoobs, but effective nonetheless. Except for the fact that it even STARTS with Bill using a couple Thor feats - a subject of some contention for this match.

Anyways, the fact that they leave Juggernaut more or less unprotected and unamped put them at a distinct disadvantage. As I mentioned before, the Surfer dodges meteors at speeds faster than C. The Juggernaut's going to jump at him?

The Juggernaut isn't a bad pick! Not at all! Properly melded and amped, he is INCREDIBLE in tourney's like these. But When used as EXACTLY what he is - a brick - well...that's like picking the Hulk for one of these Herald level tourneys. Non sensical.

Battle:

It seems for the first half of the match, Digi and Scoob had Souja and MM on the run. On the defensive. The debate was theirs to control and lead.

The second half, this momentum faltered a bit, and even completely REVERSED once Digi and Scoob had to start defending their initial picks, even.

Mobility definitely goes to Digi's team. Souja's idea of reversing polarities on the power cosmic was creative, but inaccurate. Reversing magetic polarities is hardly the same thing as making energy disappear or reverse its effects.

Meh, I could go on, analyzing the battle post by post, but I'm not dedicated enough, and I doubt anyone cares enough for me to actually do that. **** it.

Vote

The only part anyone gives a flying **** about. The part most people probably scrolled/skipped down to.

So, first, I would like to wish both teams good luck, and congratulate both on a job well done. Both debated quite well. Surprisingly well, in Martian's case, as he is a bit new to the tourney scene.

Good job, guys!

However, my vote, for a combination of beautiful prep and great strategization, is going to have to go to.....

Digi/Scoob

Good job guys. You really impressed me.

Last edited by DigiMark007 on Today at 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
My analysis isn't going to be nearly as thorough as Soljer's, although he's covered a lot of the reasoning behind my vote.

Firstly, with regard to the eleventh hour attempt to discredit the very opening strategy of creating Space Phantom Surfer (SPS), it might have worked had it not been an eleventh hour attempt. Digi/Scoobs put forward a clear and convincing reasoning why they believed they could use an SPS in their opening strategy. And throughout the battle until the very last moment MM and Souja, themselves, have been arguing under the premise that they were fighting SPS.

Secondly, with regard to Juggernaut, a major flaw in his use to me was using him purely as the Juggernaut. A brick. A brick without flight, speed or energy projection in a herald level tourney is basically a liability. I can't imagine a Juggernaut leaping around in the Moon's weak gravity to serve any real purpose other than as an annoyance.

Thirdly, it seemed to me that MM and Souja were wasting a lot of effort pursuing several points that weren't solidly backed, for a few examples attempting to absorb SPS and Thor's surfboards (afaik the Surfer's board is composed of the same incredibly durable substance as the Surfer, and isn't an energy construct) or reversing polarities in order to reverse power transference that happened during prep.

While I believe both teams made a valiant effort and put forward some creative arguments, in terms of preparation and strategy my overall impression was that Digi and Scoobs put forward a more convincing and cohesive strategy to win, and made the more creative and effective use of the characters at their disposal.

So, while I congratulate Soujaboy and Martian_mind on an excellent effort, my vote goes to DigiMark007 and Scoobless.

I'll be expecting a letterbomb and a signed blank cheque in my mail box from the teams respectively.

Last edited by DigiMark007 on Today at 6:06 PM

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Originally posted by juggernaut66666
My vote is on Digi/Scoobless

The choose of the characters was wise since all of them were pretty versatile.

They had great tactics for instance the soul and telepathic links between their team members giving them the experience of the characters also giving Surfer's powers to the characters giving them some advantage against the other team.

I also liked that they were able to encounter every "attack" that Souja and MM brought up against them IMO you guys could use more scans to back up those "counter attacks" but maybe it's just me who thinks this.

As for the other team the Juggernaut tactics weren't really useful sorry to say this but Juggernaut is pretty much useless till someone engages him in a physical battle which won't really be happening since all of the other team members had speed and flight advantage against him also Juggernaut channeling electricity sounds pretty unbelievable since he was never shown to do anything like that.

Well I have to admit that this was the most impressive match I have seen in the current tourney.

Anyway good job both of you.

Last edited by DigiMark007 on Today at 6:24 PM