This is the truth of the matter regarding this scenario
Both Thor and Beta Ray Bill are powerful, especially when they are wielding the greatest plot device ever, their plastic hammers. You take away their walking plot devices and both Asgardians are going to be like mongrels without their teeth. Both are arrogant so they are going to think that they can dogpile the Hulk. They'll work as a team, one attacking and the other to hit Hulk when he is distracted. Well, they both can hit Hulk all day and the Hulk will stand there taking everything, enjoying the pummeling he is getting like a good massage. Once the Hulk gets bored getting his peerless muscles getting massaged, he is going to KO the glass jawed Asgardians with a left cross to destroy Thor and a right cross to atomize Beta Ray Bill. Hulk rules all. Case closed. The same cannot be said about the Asgardians. Pity.
Re: This is the truth of the matter regarding this scenario
Hulk rules all?
Against two class 100 bricks with skills, Hulk will get mudstomped. Go and read Bill's first appearance when he stalemated Thor with Mjlornir. He didn't have Stormbreaker yet but still managed to knock Thor about. And if anyone's arrogant, it's the Hulk or Thor, not BRB.
And the title mongrel fits with Hulk.
BRB isn't Asgardian, he's a Korbinite. Team 7-8/10.
BRB and Thor, both top rank Class 100, hella durable, superhuman speed, reflexes and agility, masters in hand to hand combat, Thor has countless battle experience, and hth skills, same for Bill.
Thor without the hammer, OWNED Loki and Fenris and both were enhanced by Mjolnir replicas.
Loki was also getting more powerful during the Ragnarok cause with the Asgardian's being depowered he became MORE POWERFUL.
So, Loki and Fenris with hammers>>>>Savage Hulk and his brute strength.
Thor and Bill wins.They cut loose and pumme Hulk to death.
Hulk's also top Cl 100 (even stonger than either of these two), hella durable (with the capability to become even stronger and mroe durable as the fight goes on), and about as fast as they are (they really aren't that fast at all). The only advantages they have are numbers and fighting skill, both of which I've already covered.
And comparing who has beaten who with just fisticuffs doesn't really get us any where, especially sicne I can bring up Hulk has beaten Mephisto around and Mephisto >>> Loki.
No, just no.
Destroyer was supposed to take down Celestials, and look how he did. Did this device also take attacks from Celestials?
When did he beat up Mephisto?
Also, breaking Exitar's head open with a hammer attack>>>>>>>>>breaking a device that can "supposedly" take attacks from Celestials, until I see proof otherwise.
Recently you say?
You mean, after Galactus gave him a power up? Hmmm...
Also, it never said how much of Thanos's power, just that his power. Thanos can also amp his power up to.
So... it that why Thor absorbed some of the sun's power to hit Atum with?
No, it was the sun alright.
It was built by the deviants and stated by the narration that it could. The whole incident was witnessed by Gammenon.
The Mephisto rumble took place some time during PAD’s run.
No, right when he freed Galactus just after he was freed from his own prison.
Does it matter? No matter how you look at it, Thanos-level is pretty friggin powerful.
It really wasn’t. It was some sort of dimension inside the Sun. He wasn’t literally inside the Sun itself.
I’m aware of what he’s done, but the fact remains he’s never managed to take Hulk down in H2H, which is what this fight is. Hulk’s tougher than Loki and as pointed out people who have demonstrated fighting skills as good or better than that have tried and didn’t take him down.
Hmm... so it was actually shown?
Also, the Destroyer also had the same purpose, instead he was supposed to take out the Celestials.
OK.
You mean, after he was powered-up by Galactus?
He also had to amp himself up to their.
Also, Surfer has been shown under Thanos in every encounter.
You can't compare Surfer then (got beat to death by Thanos), to Surfer now (can amp his power up to Thanos).
Where was this stated?
And how did Thor draw energy from the sun if this was the case?
Ya, and Thor didn't really use his fighting skills.
Also, this fight was WITHOUT their hammers. Never was it stated that it was h2h.
Thor still has powers without his hammer, and this battle is without it.
Maybe, maybe not.
Doubtful though if Thor can stay at his level for an hour. Add Bill, and we have a winner.
They can overwhelm him from the start.
If he was already enraged (not just ticked) when going into this fight, I'm sure it could go another way.
Hulk starts off lower than Thor (doesn't matter to which degree, he is still lower), add another Thor (Beta), and it goes into the complete opposite direction.
So, without hammers, Thor and Beta easily.
Slugfest, Thor and Beta (probably pretty easily).
Slugfest with Hulk going into this fight mad (actually mad/pissed), stalemate or Hulk.
Just without hammers though, I can't see Hulk winning.
No, though I do think it was successful at one point. Dunno about that though, so I’ll have to check.
Right after he was freed from his prison by Drax. He was severely weakned from being in there for so long and yet he still pulled it off.
Being shown under Thanos in every fight doesn’t mean he can’t amp his power levels up to around Thanos’s level, same as how Hulk would always be owned by Thanos, but he can always potentially amp his strength up to Thanos’s level. And the fact remains he still couldn’t contain Hulk, no matter how ahrd he tried.
Thor himself stated he was in a magical sphere inside the Sun as soon as he arrived.
Which doesn’t matter, since people as strong and as skilled or more skilled have also tried and couldn’t put Hulk down.
And the fact remains, Thor’s a brawler more than martial artist- his skill advantage isn’t big enough to give him an edge. At all.
Honestly, I believe Hulk jobbed when he stalemated Thor for an hour. Generally, he would have just kept getting stronger until he overpowered Thor.
Doubful. Multiple opponents fighting Hulk usually results in his strength rising quicker. A double-team wouldn’t necessarily be an advantage at all.
The fact that he can quickly surpass them does make a big difference here.
You may think Hulk was jobbing when Thor stalemated his strength for an hour, but it just shows that he can't surpass them quickly like you said.
Hulk may be savage, but Bill became the champion of his people for a reason - by being the most vicious and mighty bad-ass of an entire race, going through trials Hulk has never seen. Him alone against Hulk would be a good match. But, it keeps coming back to the fact it's him AND Thor against Hulk. That's why they win for sure. You say it doesn't matter - so, we just are chasing around a circle here.
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If the Celestials can also rip apart Destroyer like that, I really don't see how they are going to have trouble destroying a machine that Hulk has destroyed.
Ya, but it was still after Galactus powered him up.
I know the details.
Are you talking about the Bannerless Hulk incident...
Also, where in that fight, did Surfer power himself up to Thanos's level, and try to hold Hulk?
He didn't?
So how does that make it relevent?
Also, the fact of the matter is, that post-powered up Surfer, is the ONLY Surfer shown to pump himself up to Thanos's level, no matter what condition.
Doesn't Thing's brawling skill allow him to fight a lot of people?
His skill should allow him to dodge attacks, and also land a couple extra blows.
I haven't even really used Beta here.
Yes he would have, but you also don't think Thor jobbed a lot in his fights?
Still, they usually stalemate in h2h.
Wait, when has he fought two Thor level strengths, when he started off normal?
No.
Even if he could quickly surpass one of them, there is still two.
I think you misunderstood. I was referring to the Flame of Life, not the Destroyer.
Good, then you know he weakened, so the fact he was originally powered up by Galactus earlier is relatively meaningless.
Heh, I just looked back and Strange was also holding that shield along with Surfer. Add in the fact that they both really tried to contain Hulk makes his feat of busting out of it even more impressive.
Any way, you missed the primary point of the Surfer/Thanos comparison. Surfer, along with Strange, tried his best to contain Hulk and failed. And we’ve seen that Surfer can amp his power levels to Thanos-levels. That was the whole point.
Pre-powerup Surfer has also stalemated Thanos one on one before and had to be separated by Strange during the Infinity Gaunlet saga.
Right, you can find it in the first scan.
Right, he’ll land more blows. Hulk in turn will get angrier, stronger, more durable, etc.
He’s not going to fold just because someone with Thor-level strength hits him. In his fight against the Champions, he took a couple of blows from Hercules and simply shrugged it off.
Thor only jobs in the sense he never uses his versatility. In H2H, I’d say he’s portrayed pretty accurately.
No one yet.
Right, and if he surpasses on of them already, then it just goes downhill from there for the duo.
I guess Hulk could beat Supes and Glads without them flying or Captain Marvel and Black Adam without them flying.
Thor and BRB wins everytime it's two on one and Hulk doesn't job to Thor when they are matching each others strength for an hour Thor is like Supes he tends to hold back.
Thor clearly wasn't holding back when stalemating Hulk. However, if Hulk's strength just suddenly stops increasing when he's still angry, he's jobbing.
I think it stops because he gets confused about why Thor keeps getting up and attacking, rather than staying down like others would. Clearly shown during the fight in Thor #385, when Hulk forced Thor into throwing his hammer away for a while, by threatening a female bystander.
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