Prominent 9/11 Truth Debunker Admits Smear Tactics
'A prominent debunker of skeptics of the official 9/11 story has broken ranks and confessed that he used underhand tactics, including fallacious attribution of holocaust denial, to smear the credibility of the 9/11 truth movement.
Screw Loose Change was initially a venture undertaken by two individuals to debunk what they considered to be a number of flaws contained in Dylan Avery's film. However, one of those individuals now states that the focus soon shifted from Loose Change and became a campaign to attack, "any 911 truther for any reason whatsoever".'
What are you saying? Because prisonplanet says one is biased, all of them are? If I had the name of that debunker, I just wouldn't trust him specifically. That's the way it goes.
Oil fires played a huge part of it. Please prove me otherwise from a scientific/physics point of view, not taint it and dismiss it with utter indifference. It couldn't have done it by itself, it only weakens it, other factors come into play.
Yes, I always say prove it. Why? Unless you can make a point and prove yourself right, getting into a major debate is simply useless. I'm pointing the finger at you because you're presenting an extremely lopsided version of events, from which certain questions and ambiguities need to be answered.
I don't need the government's or your version of events. I watch the videos, I read the analytical damage reports, I find the pictures of the collapse and from there I make my point. It just so happens to be that my version of events seems to be quite similar to the government's. What happens to me then, I get called a coward for not believing something fishy is going on. Hooray.
A little ironic, isn't it, not from only a single standpoint.
A.) I have consistently provided points that prove that there is a reasonable doubt in your explanation and in PrisonPlanet's view of events. Your answer is to completely avoid them. And yet you tell me to remain on topic.
B.)This thread is mainly based on whether or not Building Seven was taken down by demo or whether it collapsed on its own. You drag the NWO into this. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING SEVEN and BUILDING SEVEN ONLY. And yet you tell me to remain on topic.
Please prove factually that I am wrong and that my explanation is rubbish. And please explain to me scientifically why my explanation is rubbish.
Your evidence consists of so far, unexplained squibs and the fact that the "towers" fell too neat and too quickly. (Do you think a few tons of weakened steel girder can withstand impact from several thousand tons of concrete, glass, and metal?)
If the primary support column of the building buckles, it's like a body without a skeleton. It would collapse like a jellyfish on dry land. There is simply no refuting it.
Please come back to me when you have irrefutable evidence that building seven in fact was taken down by demolition and kindly refrain from nonsensical and unnecessary comments intended for filler.
Yes, you are biased. Simply by wanting to "find out the truth" is assuming that the government is already in the wrong. I don't question the government's reason for collapse because it scientifically makes sense from the actual hard evidence and excluding all other 'versions' of events, unlike your rambling.
And oh, you assume that I do. Wrong.
Wrong again. I can see differences between the faces in those photographs.
However, unlike you, I do not stupidly presume instantly that they are different people. I accept the fact that elements can come into play to make people look very different on camera. I believe it is you who is acting ignorant in this case.
There is no "evidence", there is only speculation. Don't try to change the subject.
It is cold fact that they are biased, remarkably so. There is no denying that whatsoever. They have already twisted evidence and statements in the past, so yes, there is a good chance that any info you're taking from there is highly blemished.
You are making false statements. Even if the 'top of the pyramid' was indeed under control, there are still an absolute massive amount of people, MILLIONS, that would be glad to take the chance to spread shit about the government. Even MORE are unaware and neutral on the subjectIt would spread and MASSIVELY. Denying something like this is simply against common sense. It only takes one flame from a lighter to cause a forest fire.
You're begging the question and running around in circles. I seem to remember saying that I was never trying to find a solution, only trying to show you that you are wrong about building seven and offering my take on the situation.
Don't talk to me about ignorancy.
Oil fires aren't ordinary. They go to about 2000-3000 Celsius depending on the type of fuel alight.
Steel starts to melt at about 1700.
Do the math.
Get it right, it's a class B blaze. Read above. Please provide reasonable, if not irrefutable proof that I am wrong. Saying "Fire can't bring down a building within a coupla hours" isn't going to do anything.
Right, right. I'M the child making silly statements, yet you have not once proved me wrong. Another "Deano Idiosyncracy"?
How original.
It does look like it is falling fast, but is it free fall? Is it? Your 'experts' at PrisonPlanet have claimed that it is matching gravitational acceleration.
Tell me, with the extremely poor quality of the video, the distance at which it was shot, the suddenness of the drop, the angle of the walls...do you really think it is possible to measure gravitational acceleration of a falling wall to the point of accuracy at 9.81m/s/s?
this video sucks. Screw Loose Change was initially a venture undertaken by two individuals to debunk what they considered to be a number of flaws contained in Dylan Avery's film. However, one of those individuals now states that the focus soon shifted from Loose Change and became a campaign to attack, "any 911 truther for any reason whatsoever."
and ive not ignored anything. im not starting this crap again arguing with ignorant people. dark c can have the last word if it makes him happy.
the idiots can stay idiots.
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Right, they're shackling free speech alright, which is why conspiracy theorists are free to say what they will, and Avery can make his movie? That's why all you have to do is type in "sex" in google and you're linked to millions of pornographic sites? That's why you can search any anti-government topic and have thousands of websites pop up, all unobstructed by the government? Why thousands rally in front of the White House, protesting against the government?
If they wanted to censor the internet that video would have been down before 10 people could have seen it. Give me a break. Free speech is alive and well.
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So? Just because the guy is determined to test a conspiracy theory for truth, the video "sucks"? The video accurately represents how gullible and stupid conspiracy conspiracy theorists can be, and that we shouldn't rush into everything. I at first, alreasdy knew Loose Change was a crap video with lies and flaws in it. It being bad makes conspiracies look bad, which I don't want. You don't agree with Screw Loose Change because it has debunked conspiracy claims like the Osama Bin Laden fake and the pentagon being hit by a missle and the WTC being demolished. I admit, I used to believe it was n't Osama either, but looking at the evidence, I have decided and admitted I was wrong to think that -- which is what a fair debator does.
You might hate the video, but you know it's true. You just won't admit it. And what's this about the two individuals? The only name I saw was Mike Iradian.
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A global wide conspiracey propagated by the illuminatie who are blessed with ultimate power and influence (not to mention the assistence of alien technology, assistence and dna, are only trying?
Apparently then, there is little reason to fear them for they lack any significant power (or infact, they don't exist).
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