Okay, forests and fossil fuels are natural and don't go away as fast as you might think. We've been cutting down trees since before gold was discovered. There are more today than there were in 1920. When a tree is cut down, another is planted in it's place. Do you really think industries are going to wipe out trees off the Earth?
No, I'm just saying it's not as bad as people may think.
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I tend to believe that they don't grow back as fast as you think.
Hence the reason why we're in such a f*ckin' mess right now.
Please tell me where you got that stat from. Have you seen the amazon lately? It's not in good shape. In canada we have massive areas that have been clearcutted and they ain't growing back in a few years, maybe in a few hundred.
O.k. Now you're buying into some one's propaganda. I suggest you talk to the university kids who do the majority of the tree planting and they will tell you that more than 80 percent of the trees that are planted incorrectly and of those that are planted correctly not even close to 1/2 are gong to make it their first year.
Not to mention that the trees that they are replacing with 6 inch planters are being planted in clear cuts that are not the proper environment for such trees. Smaller trees grow with larger ones around them which offer protection, not in clear cuts.
I suggest you read more about the logging (or other ) industries and their effect on Canada's northwest coast. Industry is not interested in longterm future, but short term gain.
Where are you from by the way, and do you spend much time in the outdoors?
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Very interesting vids. I never bought into Global Warming so it is nice to see that there are scientists and people in the media with similar viewpoints. That said I still would like to see less pollution in out air, water and soil.
You actually think that a website who's mission statement is"
to promote and support the use of high quality, environmentally sound, decorative wood products manufactured in North America," is not at all biased?
Holy sh*t dude? Are you serious? It's because of clear cut logging for lumber, increasing farm land and strip mining. (but mostly the lumber for export) Poor people can't afford major heavy machinery to cut down 100 foot tall trees.
I've heard it from both people who planted trees through University and my brother-in-law who works for the ministry of the envirnoment in Alberta.
First I'll say that that is a ridiculously ignorant comment. Second, Trees are being cut down at an alarming rate world wide. Great Britain used to be a forrested island over 1000 years ago...why have all those trees not grown back?
Logging and proper forrestry practises are not bad for the environment. Industrial clearcutting and forrest, slash and burn clearing and forrest mismanagement is bad for the environment.
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Interesting discussion between xyz and Kharma. Siding with xyz for the most part. He's not being anti-environmentalist....simply not extreme environmentalist either.
Global warming is bullocks. But that doesn't mean we can ignore all environmental concerns just because global warming has taken center stage in the media recently. Just that it requires a healthy bit of temperance in these things. Both extremes are usually wrong....in anything.
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Anyway, I try to tell people about global warming. They don't listen, don't care, or (usually) simply don't believe me ("What about Al Gore...?"). Then I try to get them to watch the movie. Too lazy. Apathy is frustrating.
Yes, there is a book by Bjorn Lomborg called "The Skeptical Environmentalist". http://www.lomborg.com/ Lomborg also appeared on the Penn and Teller: Bullshit episode about environmental hysteria, he said some good points, and I would probably read his book if I had the time and effort.
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