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Apocalypse vs. Gladiator
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Originally posted by Apolloknight
Im no Trickster Priest or Evil Ash, but I know a little about Apoc, why?


If you only know a little, why are you even debating?

Don't you think that you should at least know what his powers are before going in to a debate with Apoc fans?


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Apocalypse morphed his body around point blank range heat vision blast from Ikarus, and Optic Blasts from Cyclops on separate occasions, among other occasions where's he's displayed superhuman reaction times. He's gone blow for blow and blast for blast with the High Evolutionary. Don't sell him short.

Not to mention the fact that Gladiator is simply not going to one shot Apoc to the sun. Apoc can fly, teleport, alter his mass, size, density, consistency, generate forcefields, etc. Physical engagement would be foolish against Apoc given his ability to negate the effects of impact. On the other hand, if Apocalypse were to not only survive Gladiator's futile physical assault, but gain an upper hand, Gladiator's confidence, and abilities, would begin to falter.

Apocalypse's wouldn't.

People really aren't thinking this battle through fully.


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Originally posted by illadelph12
Apocalypse morphed his body around point blank range heat vision blast from Ikarus, and Optic Blasts from Cyclops on separate occasions, among other occasions where's he's displayed superhuman reaction times. He's gone blow for blow and blast for blast with the High Evolutionary. Don't sell him short.

Not to mention the fact that Gladiator is simply not going to one shot Apoc to the sun. Apoc can fly, teleport, alter his mass, size, density, consistency, generate forcefields, etc. Physical engagement would be foolish against Apoc given his ability to negate the effects of impact. On the other hand, if Apocalypse were to not only survive Gladiator's futile physical assault, but gain an upper hand, Gladiator's confidence, and abilities, would begin to falter.

Apocalypse's wouldn't.

People really aren't thinking this battle through fully.


Notice the size of the whole in his body when creating a hole to dodge Ikaris' attack. He wasn't just lucky, you can clearly tell that Apocalypse saw the attack coming. Let's not forget the time he EASILY got the better of Quicksilver.

Beating Apoc physically isn't going to be easy, we all saw how well über Frenzy, Cable and Hulk did roll eyes (sarcastic)


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Also, can Kallark move without thinking about it? I'm pretty sure he has to will his own motion as well.


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Originally posted by llagrok
Cable and Hulk did roll eyes (sarcastic)
The mere fact that Apoc had an actual fight with Cable... doesn't help his case at all.
This is Gladiator, not Captain America (who by the way, Cable admitted was stronger, faster, etc).

Wow, choking a sick Hulk... plus, he never took any shots from him, and choking Gladiator doesn't sound right...


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Originally posted by Tyrant
The mere fact that Apoc had an actual fight with Cable... doesn't help his case at all.
This is Gladiator, not Captain America (who by the way, Cable admitted was stronger, faster, etc).

Wow, choking a sick Hulk... plus, he never took any shots from him, and choking Gladiator doesn't sound right...


Choking Gladiator makes him wet his pants.

Cable was pouring ALL of his power into attacking Apocalypse.


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Choking Gladiator makes him wet his pants.

Cable was pouring ALL of his power into attacking Apocalypse.
Super piss?

Shall we dance then, Victoria?
Is that why he only hit him twice with his staff, and then was punching his head away the other times?
If Cable can make his head turn, even a little bit, then it's a fair assumption that Gladiator can put him through buildings, and the ground.


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Such as matter manipulation, time manipulation and reality manipulation.



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Super piss?

Shall we dance then, Victoria?
Is that why he only hit him twice with his staff, and then was punching his head away the other times?
If Cable can make his head turn, even a little bit, then it's a fair assumption that Gladiator can put him through buildings, and the ground.


Keep in mind that the issue was done by Liefeld.

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You posted the scans for god's sake. How else do you suppose he transformed Ozymandis into stone?


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Keep in mind that the issue was done by Liefeld.
ah aint dun bring it up wink

Also, Liefeld does ass hole art, but that doesn't mean his writing is bad.


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The mere fact that Apoc had an actual fight with Cable... doesn't help his case at all.
This is Gladiator, not Captain America (who by the way, Cable admitted was stronger, faster, etc).

Wow, choking a sick Hulk... plus, he never took any shots from him, and choking Gladiator doesn't sound right...


Yeah, because Gladiator has never had trouble with anyone weaker than him.

I mean, he one shotted Colossus in the Dark Phoenix Saga, and Cannonball...

Step yo' game up man.


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How else do you suppose he transformed Ozymandis into stone?


It had something to do with him felling into Kang's machinery...


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Yeah, because Gladiator has never had trouble with anyone weaker than him.

I mean, he one shotted Colossus in the Dark Phoenix Saga, and Cannonball...

Step yo' game up man.
Keep in mind. I didn't bring up Cable, in an attempt to make it look like people who fought him in h2h lost, and Gladiator would as well.

Unless I brought up Colossus, and Canonball as a point of interest...


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Yeah, because Gladiator has never had trouble with anyone weaker than him.

I mean, he one shotted Colossus in the Dark Phoenix Saga, and Cannonball...

Step yo' game up man.


While we're bringing up Cannonball, Juggernaut had no problem one shottin' the kid.

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Originally posted by Tyrant
ah aint dun bring it up wink

Also, Liefeld does ass hole art, but that doesn't mean his writing is bad.


Liefeld's writing is pretty sub par, wasn't he the one writing the Cap/onslaught fight? Or was he only doing the art?


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Originally posted by llagrok
Liefeld's writing is pretty sub par, wasn't he the one writing the Cap/onslaught fight? Or was he only doing the art?
Loeb wrote, while we watched Onslaught grow throughout the fight...


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Originally posted by llagrok
Oh, that makes a big difference smile

Just recently he was about to "cull" the human population down to 9/10% of their original numbers. So that the humans and mutants could fight "evenly" unfortunately he told the world leaders that they could kill off 90% (or was it 99?) or he would choose random humans. Which gave the x-men/avengers time to stop him.

When they fought Apocalypse had drained blood from himself and given it to mutants throughout the world after starving them. He had drained enough blood to fill up several tanks, which were destroyed by the x-men. During his weakened form he was able to take attacks from Havok and Iceman relatively easy. Unfortunately Pulse was able to affect and almost cancel out his powers though.


Need to make a slight correction. Pulse couldn't shut down Apoc's powers. He could only weaken him. and he directly said he couldn't do it for long.

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Originally posted by Evil_Ash
It had something to do with him felling into Kang's machinery...


Really? I was certain Apocalypse did it.

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Need to make a slight correction. Pulse couldn't shut down Apoc's powers. He could only weaken him. and he directly said he couldn't do it for long.

http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespide...p;PhotoID=14209
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespide...p;PhotoID=14210


Yeah, I knew "cancelling out" was too much.


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Need to make a slight correction. Pulse couldn't shut down Apoc's powers. He could only weaken him. and he directly said he couldn't do it for long.

http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespide...p;PhotoID=14209
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespide...p;PhotoID=14210
So unless Gladiator can turn off powers... I believe that's irrelevant...

Plus, you just showed Apoc getting fudged up by Sunfire... laughing out loud


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Originally posted by Tyrant
You just showed Apoc getting fudged up by Sunfire... laughing out loud


So unless Gladiator can turn off powers... I believe that's irrelevant...


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Originally posted by Tyrant
So unless Gladiator can turn off powers... I believe that's irrelevant...

Plus, you just showed Apoc getting fudged up by Sunfire... laughing out loud


Let's see. Apocalypse had several gallons of his blood drained out, Pulse was weakening his powers, Sunfire was amped due to his becoming a horseman, there are plenty of reasons why that doesn't make Apoc look bad. stick out tongue


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