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Classic ION Vs Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet
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Tazer
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Yo.

Thanos takes this; while classic Ion was pretty slick (slicker than Parallax appeard to be *if* they had the same energies) I dont think he was as powerful as an IG-wielder.

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Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

Thanos takes this; while classic Ion was pretty slick (slicker than Parallax appeard to be *if* they had the same energies) I dont think he was as powerful as an IG-wielder.

Tazer

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Mr Master
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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
First of all I'd like a link to the scan or at least an issue number where this is stated . And even if it did , how exactly does this help your case ?

You want proof that the Ultraverse is in another Multiverse? laughing out loud

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems
(second to last paragraph)

"The Infinity Gems were eventually taken by an energy vampire
from an alternate-reality ... In that other Multiverse"

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
How exactly does this prove that if he was there he couldn't destroy Earth 616 Universe ?

???

The 4 Gems weren't only going to destroy 616,
they were going to destroy "All Realities"

And they were going to do it, from OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Universe = / = Omniverse and
Universe = / = Multiverse.

Nah,

the entire known Universe is the Marvel Universe.

The Marvel Universe is the Omniverse.

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Now you're pretty much just assuming that Reed reffered to the Omniverse or Multiverse when he said Universe , which is illogical .

It's far more illogical to think that Reed only knows about the 616 Universe.

That's actually laughable.

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I know it was reffering to the Mind Gem since I didn't copy and paste those links .

That was the whole point ,

the Mind Gem only has Universal control ,

thus why would the other ones be different ?

Now I know you don't know jack about the IG.

Mind Gem only has Universal control when it's ALONE! ... like all the Gems.

But put 4 Gems together and they can Create UniverseS from scratch:

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"Each New Wave CREATED another New Reality"

OR

Destroy the Omniverse:

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"These Two Gems (Time-Reality) must be reunited,
otherwise ALL REALITIES, including this one, will be destroyed"

.....................................................................................................

Put 5 Gems together and they can own the UN:

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"With a Thought, I turn the Universe's most devastating weapon upon it's bearer"

OR

MERGE Two UniverseS in an instant (one being 616)
from a Third Universe separated from both:

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"My Takeover of your Actuality,

USING my now missing Cosmic Containment Units,
would have taken Hours to Accomplish"

"Other matters have a higher priority now,
such as MAKING YOUR Universe MINE"

.....................................................................................................

Put 6 Gems together and you become Omnipotent according to Marvel:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infi...tlet_%28item%29

Powers:

"Absolute Omnipotence when the Gems are used altogether"

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Actually it's "They are the Ultimate in Power , the darkest secret in the universe" . So again , it's reffered to be universal in power and the darkest secret within the Universe .

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"limitless power over ALL THAT IS"

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You do know that you've just beaten yourself with that image ?
It says all the Universe is but clay in my hands" ,
thus Thanos clearly stating that he has Universal power .
Clear and stated .

Yea, Thanos made it very clear he only had "universal power."

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"Let it be known that Thanos of Titan declares himself the Supreme Being of this and ALL Universes!"

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And again , why would one gem be Universal while other Multiversal ?
Does that sound consistent to you ?

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Now I know you don't know jack about the IG.

If you didn't know,

IG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Individual Gems

Circles are inevitable.

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I really hope you're not saying that's Multiversal power .
I see nothing beyond mere Universal power .

Of course merging TWO UniverseS from a separate Third Universe is "merely universal."

That makes sense. What the f**k?

meh, (not to mention Magus only had 5 Gems)

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
He could have controlled one Universe so that it merged with the other .

On Panel TWO UniverseS were merged, I'll leave the off panel speculation to you though.

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
What is Multiversal about this ?

Is this a trick question?

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Come back to me when he merges 2 Multiverses

Come back to me when read up on the IG.

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And this is Multiversal how exactly ?

UN can take out the Multiverse and remake it in an instant.

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
First of all , it's debatable if the UN erased the Multiverse ,

No it's not.

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
which I can simply counter with resonable explination and proof .

Is this Nvr?

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Second , we don't really know how much power output the UN put then when aiming twoards him .

Again, please Read so we can avoid these circular conversations.

The UN has never been stated to have different power outputs.

The UN does what it does ... it Nullifies Time & Space, that's it.

The ONLY thing that can be controlled is the scale it affects,

but Nullification is Nullification on any scale.

If you blast one person with the UN ... the Time & Space they occupy would be nullified.

If you blast one Universe or Multiverse ... the Time & Space they occupy gets nullified.

Same result in either case ... Nullification of the target.

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And third , turning the weapon upon it's bearer doesn't really mean that he is stronger than the UN .

Of course.

1. If I can lift more weights that you
2, If I can beat you in a fight 10/10
3. If I can run faster than you

It logically means,

1. You're stronger than I
2. You're a better fighter
3. You can run faster than I

This all makes perfect sense.

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Proof .

You shouldn't need proof of this.

If you're debating the IG you should know only the LT proved to be above it.

On Panel and in the Bios.

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Conquering and having the power to destroy a Multiverse (Without a chain reaction like destroying the Earth 616 Universe and then the others follow) are 2 very different things .

Who said it would be conquered via chain reaction?

WHO?

The LT said,

if Rune gathers the Gems in his Multiverse,
it would mean the demise of his Multiverse and perhaps "our own Universe aswell"

The LT considers the Prime Multiverse his Universe,
as it's the one he presides most over.

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Same as above

Same as above.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Again , how is this Multiversal power ?
Did they create Multiverses back to back ? No . Just Universes .

Yea, 4 Gems though.

The IG is 6 Gems.

IG = Omnipotence

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infi...tlet_%28item%29

Powers:

"Absolute Omnipotence when the Gems are used altogether"

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
As I said , this most defenitly means destroying Earth 616 Universe and then a chain reaction .

"most definitely?"

You've never even read the issue but you know anyways.

Intersting,

a chain Reaction starting in 616,
when the event is originating an ENTIRE Multiverse away from 616. laughing out loud

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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
This points have already been adressed and the following one doesn't really prove anything .

Sure they have.

With random speculation and unsupported theories and even a splash of bull

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Aug 24th, 2007 06:11 PM

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Mr Master
"Absolute Omnipotence when the Gems are used altogether"

If THOTI > LT > IG... [Which is the case]..

What "level of omnipotence" (hate that concept), does Marvel dub THOTI?

Absolute omnipotence x3? confused

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Originally posted by Galan007
If THOTI > LT > IG... [Which is the case]..

What "level of omnipotence" (hate that concept), does Marvel dub THOTI?

They are all completely Omnipotent.

IG makes one GOD.

The LT represents one who is above Gods: (making him above Gods aswell)

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THOTI is the manifested source of power of he who is above Gods within Reality.

Which is why THOTI >>> LT

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Aug 24th, 2007 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by Mr Master
They are all completely Omnipotent.

IG makes one GOD.

The LT represents one who is above Gods: (making him above Gods aswell)

THOTI is the manifested source of power of he who is above Gods within Reality.

Which is why THOTI >>> LT

So the "Absolute omnipotence x3" concept, wasn't that far off afterall... stick out tongue

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Originally posted by quanchi112
erik is getting so owned. this is fun to watch.

I have a feeling erik is Nvr... I mean he argues the same, and his account was created right around the time Nvr was banned.

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Galan007
If THOTI > LT > IG... [Which is the case]..

What "level of omnipotence" ( ), does Marvel dub THOTI?

Absolute x3, omnipotence?

Would you please quit arguing with Marvel statements? When you were debating about Michael you were saying Michael has the Demiurge power, which actually means the power of creation, but you said in DC demiurge doesn't mean the power of creation

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Originally posted by Galan007
But in DC it does. "The word that builds and breaks".

Either admit Michael's has the power of creation (not creation and destruction), or stop laughing at Marvel statements, which are facts.

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Originally posted by Kutulu
I have a feeling erik is Nvr... I mean he argues the same, and his account was created right around the time Nvr was banned.

But nvr was only banned for 7 days right?

Is he that much of a KMC addict? confused

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Originally posted by Air Legend
Would you please quit arguing with Marvel statements?

What are you talking about?

I wasn't arguing with "Marvel statements" at all..... I was merely asking a question. smile

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Originally posted by Galan007
But nvr was only banned for 7 days right?

Is he that much of a KMC addict?

He was banned?

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Originally posted by Skeets
He was banned?

He was originally banned for 7 days, then tried to sock and got caught. laughing out loud

Which got him another 3 days worth of bannage:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...mp;userid=81738

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Mr Master
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Originally posted by Galan007
So the "Absolute omnipotence x3" concept, wasn't that far off afterall...

Basically, it's their Concept of Infinity.

It's based on Cantor's and Zermelo's Theorems of Infinity.

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Originally posted by Kutulu
I have a feeling erik is Nvr... I mean he argues the same,
and his account was created right around the time Nvr was banned.

The intransigence is quite familiar.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Basically, it's their Concept of Infinity.

It's based on Cantor's and Zermelo's Theorems of Infinity.

It's kind of silly, but that's just how it is..

Kind of like timelines in DC. laughing out loud

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Originally posted by Galan007

He was originally banned for 7 days, then tried to sock and got caught. Which got him another 3 days worth of bannage:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...mp;userid=81738

I just thought it was an odd coincidence that he was banned on Aug 15th, 2007, and then ban extended on Aug 17th, 2007 (for SOCK'ing laughing

), yet Erik-Lensherr was created on Aug 16th, 2007 (right after his initial ban) and discusses in the same manner that Nvr uses.

Aug 24th, 2007 06:46 PM

Mr Master
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Originally posted by Galan007
It's kind of silly, but that's just how it is..

Well it is a theorem ... so it's mathematically accepted.

Calculus is a theorem. (a priority course in most schools)

Just giving an eg. of how significant a theorem can be.

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Originally posted by Galan007
Kind of like timelines in DC.

Comics will always have issues, especially when dealing with the unknown.

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Originally posted by Galan007
It's kind of silly, but that's just how it is..

Kind of like timelines in DC.

I thought DC uses Hypertime... or has that gone away.

Aug 24th, 2007 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Well it is a theorem ... so it's mathematically accepted.

Calculus is a theorem. (a priority course in most schools)

Just giving an eg. of how significant a theorem can be.

You've tried to justify it once before... No need to get into it again. smile

Some theorems are accepted by the general consensus, while some are not, but in this debate, who cares?

We know that's how Marvel chooses to run it's cosmics and such.

Nothing need be argued, because the concept of differing levels of infinity is a Marvel comics fact. smile

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Originally posted by Kutulu
I thought DC uses Hypertime... or has that gone away.

They do... But it can still be very confusing.

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