These are Bloodrains figuires, I personally do not agree with the weight of the obelisk but I dont understand the calculation of frustum so I will add it here anyway.
The obelisk as a cuboid:
This number was the first Bloodrian gave for the obelisk, an average between the two above would imo probably create the most accurate number but it is not that important.
As Kain is clearly stronger than Raziel, Kain has similiar strength give or take a few tons, but more importantly his durability and how much power/pressure either of them can create.
With the above strength in mind, Kains durability is based on this:
The video shows how easily Kain can manhandle Raziel, even with one arm without Raziel being able to do anything but struggle but the main import is the strikes, here is the math concering those, again there will be two calculations as there are two above based on frustum and cuboid.
Cuboid;
Frustum:
Summary;
This makes Kain both offensively powerful because as shown even Raziels inferior strength pressured through vampire claws can create millions of tons of pressure, add in Kains other offensive options and hte fact he can be quicker in strikes, has teleportion and a soul devouring sword not just claws gives him major oppertunity to defeat an opponent.
Defensively powerful becuse he can survive at least 9.7 million tons at least over a square inch without any damage at all, not even a scratch and has as stated by Raziel on vampires healing factor;
"Wounds inflicted by my foes healed almost instantly, the Reaver had made me invincible", obviously being invincible is a fallacy although practically possible for Kain in most KMC matchups taking into account the above.
Several healing factors/devices that heal which make even the small victories in harming Kain worthless, if you can hit him at all what with mist form, phasing in BO2 and teleportation are difficult enough. I dont know the difference by percentage between bone and skin but needless to say, to do more damage than small scratches, and actually give Kain a major wound or cut through bone is going to take so vast power.
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actually to even have close to a right idea of what the impulse/force is on those acts, you would have to look at the physics engine used in the specific LOK games. if kain could delier 10 million tons per square inch. then he can deliver pressures of upto
or north of 155 trillion pascals. this is two orders of magnitude greater than the pressure at the core of our sun. if this wee true, kain coul cause nuclear fusion by simply squeezing his fists. actually this is nearer to big bang or black hole event horizon pressures.
i call BS. this thread is a wankfest of dragonball proportions.
I think theres a hole in your calculations , it would be the same for most video game characters anyway and the LoK physics are no different to real world when concerning calculation of damage, Kratos from GoW would likely be more, possibly Dante going at mach 15 would be able to deal similiar power if not far more etc. If you want to argue game vs math in general then go to the people who started it.
If what you say is true then kain is more powerful than I first realised. But I doubt it. Further, 9 million is the lowest figuire for Kains durability across a square inch of his skin, not his attack power. per Every square millimeter (estimation of his claw) is closer to 15,000 of tons of PSI, not millions.
This is a respect thread, if you want to complain about things or call them BS take it to PMs. Better yet, send your calculation to me in a PM.
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Concerning the claims above, Kains Star core pressure strength is actually per square meter, not per inch;
Kain has roughply
2137375170644.9349062862 bar (2.1 trillion bar) or 2.13737517 × 10 to the power 17 pascals (ten quadrillion) durability per square meter of
skin.
Compared, Kains body can take more than 33 times the force per square meter of skin than fairly modern Nuclear warheads (W80's), and more than
403 times the force of older nuclear weapons such as Ivy mike.
As a comparison, the pressure at the center of the sun is at 250 billion bar, meaning just a square meter of Kains outer skin layer can take 8x
more pressure than given by the Core of a Star. Taking into account the average human has 2 meters square of skin covering their body, Kain
possibly slightly more being larger would have as much as 4.2 trillion bar, 16x the pressure of a stars core of resistance across his entire
body.
I assume this only helps him against explosions as most physical attacks with fists, swords etc will not cover square meters of skin, or indeed Kains entire body.
Well not quite an error, although thank you for posting that. It would seem the spiritual part of the Soul reaver, e.g. raziel/wraith blade gives its user the power to defeat Kains durability and actually wound him, giving it a vast amount of power indeed especially since its area as shown was across an area far larger than the tip of Raziels claws.
At 2;53
Proving that the Soul reaver not only has Kains strength and power behind it, soul devouring abilities and its other powers but can also create forces through the energy of the wraith within (Raziel) equel to splitting Kains body and creating damage to Kains body enough so for a weak Raziel (enhanced since the claw attack itself but still weak) to claw inside AND through Kains bones. My calculations on Kains bones are rough at the moment but if proportion is the same between his skin and his bones the same way human skin is to their bones, his bones are incredibly strong.
not debating. just pointing out obviously flawed logic/figures. i neither adressed BT nor incenced him{or referred to him}. him running to the mods for the slightest perceived insult is not my problem.
i do respect kain. but if someone was saying that captain america could armwrestle galactus, id be obliged to say that they were overstating things.
V= 1,786,458.33 cm3
Density = 2.6 g/cm3 [granite type density]
1,786,458.33*2.6 = 4,644,791.66 g = 5.12tons.
Obelisks frustum body;
The base of the obelisk is 2x Raziel's height at 350cm. The height is 4x the base for 1,400cm
Pyramidal frustum volume = ⅓h(a1+a2+(√a1*a2))
h is height, a1 is area of base square and a2 is area of top square.
= (1400cm/3)*(350cm^2+175cm^2+√(350cm^2*175cm^2))
= 466.666*(122500+30625+√3751562500)
= 466.666*(122500+30625+61250)
= 466.666*214375
= 100,041,524cm3
100,041,524*2.6 = 260,107,962 g = 286.719949 tons
286.719949 ton body + 5.12 ton tip = 291.839949 tons.
But because a friend has another way of calcing it that had slightly higher results I'll use the middle ground of 300 tons.
Raziel's lifts the obelisk up to his chest, around 80% of his full body height, in 1 second.
= 1.4m/s
Joules;
Joules = (Mass*Velocity2)/ 2
= (272,155.422kg*1.4m/s^2)/ 2
= (272,155.422*2)/ 2 [Velocity is 2 due to some issue I can't recall so I upped it... may get back to that]
= 272,155.422 Joules
PSI;
Claw tip = estimate 1mm^2 = 0.04in2
= area of 0.0016in2
= 0.0032 for two claws
[Credit to Scream for this next part since its an edit of his post]
272,155.422 J
not that using actual physics is ever a good idea to work out these fictional things. but NO1 seems to be using the idea of impulse here. it isnt just pressure alone that causes damage, its IMPULSE. you can take 500 tons/square inch of pressure to your skull for 1/25th of a second. but if you took it for 1/12th of a second, you would instantly die.
p.s. i think this discussion like this thread like this POV of Kain is a dead end.
Kain can take the soul reavers strikes even at his weakest and despite its power, can resist its soul devouring and force and only requires the blood of a man to restore his vitality.
While I find it silly that you guys use mathematics to calculate things in an as inconsistent game as LoK, I will not argue such things here. Instead I will link a video I like
I thought I should update this thread, the previous math on the last few pages by Bloodrain and I are misleading since they are using a calculation that calculates work done or joules, not actual pressures or impacts.
The following are Kains stats;
The math was re-calculated by Dadumon and Morridini, please visit the math thread for the calculation until I copy and paste them all up here.
If Kain wanted to throw his sword with his strength, assuming he only has equel strength to Raziel, he would get the following;
Force= 1871628.73896
Mass= 2kg (of the soul reaver, mathed as a claymore, arguably slightly ligher or heavier but the difference is minimal)
Acceleration= force/mass
Kain could throw his sword based on this at over Mach 2k, greater than the required speed to reach escape velocity of the sun. So while Kain is tanking the suns core pressures and while the heat and other factors have taken a day off, he can also toss his sword out of it i he so wished.
So kain throwing the reaver would pretty much be an instant soul devour on pretty much anyone who cant dodge super hypersonic speeds.
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