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Not particularly. It is an In-canon explanation for why Darksieds Insta-kill power doesn't work on DC's flagship character.


Where is that explanation provided in-canon?


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"Rachel Grey has been cited an Omega Level Mutant" Myth.

The first usage of the word "omega" in the context referring to Omega mutants in X-Men Forever in 2001 -
Jean Grey and Iceman:
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The following uses of the term all occur after the meaning outlined above is applied to the use of the term Omega mutant and serve as official confirmation of the character as an Omega mutant.
Jean Grey again and Quentin Quire:
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More Quentin Quire:
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Franklin Richards:
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Mr M:
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Iceman again:
[img=http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1564/icemanga8.th.jpg]
Vulcan:
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[img=http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4764/vulcan1nw4.th.jpg]
Elixir:
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[img=http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2811/xmenthe198files14vv1.th.jpg]
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The one-off use of the word "omega" in 1986, "Class Omega Contact" about Rachel. Nimrod is not referring to the later defined Alpha, Beta, Epsilon system used by Apocalypse, nor is he alluding to the same meaning as was written in 2001.
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Nimrod identified non-mutants as "Contacts." Which means the classification used, applied not only to mutants but to non-mutants as well. And therefore the use of the phrase "Class Omega Contact" does not hold the same meaning as the use of the word "omega" in the context of mutants exclusively 15 years subsequently.

Additionally, the Nimrod's classification is based upon how much of a threat the person, mutant or non-mutant, is to Nimrod.
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The entry for Rachel Summers in The 198 Files, the same type of entry as the ones above for Iceman, Elixir, Quentin Quire, Franklin and Mr M:
[img=http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7885/rachelnooba5.th.jpg]
No mention of the term Omega mutant.
And I'm unaware of anything else, since 2001, that would label her an Omega.

There are no other instances where the term Omega mutant has been applied unambiguously to characters, without qualifiers such as potentially or possibly.

The officially confirmed 7 Omegas are therefore:
Jean Grey
Iceman (Bobby Drake)
Kid Omega (Quentin Quire)
Mister M (Absolom Mercator)
Franklin Richards
Vulcan (Gabriel Summers)
Elixir (Josh Foley)

(On a side-note, 'twas funny looking through that old Omega mutant thread.)


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Myth: Apocalypse under normal conditions has substantive telepathy, equal to or surpassing Charles Xavier

Firstly I'll repost verbatim some of the incidents used to justify this myth:
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1. Mental control of celestial tech.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...95/Apoctech.png
2. Apocalypse telekinetically raising his palace from under the ground
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3.../palacerise.png
3. A weakened Apocalypse punks Jean Grey (Phoenix!) psionically.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...5/psionic53.png
4. Mindrapes Xavier.
http://static.mojefotke.si/1ddaf62c...2a32887b5f7.JPG
5. Apocalypse takes a full telekinetic blast from Exodus with no effect, and blasts Exodus away. Apocalypse also creates a force field able to hold and even pre-powerdown Exodus.
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/...origin13kw0.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...95/powers18.png
6. Apocalypse mind controlled the Inhuman population including the Dark Riders. Especially good, because Psynapse (one of the inhumans) is a very powerful psychic, with his own section of the astral plane
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...cmindconrol.png
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7. For the record, Apoc has some major TP feats, including punking Exodus and being unphased by a TP blast from him.
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8. Apocalypse reads Ozymandias’ mind of all the events that happened since X-Ecutioner’s Song in a moment.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...95/powers10.png
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9. Apocalypse telekinetically tosses a giant boulder at Exodus, including communicating with Exodus telepathically while he's in his palace from afar.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...exodustele1.png
Apocalypse talks through Mantis creature telepathically.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...odusmantis3.png

- The first thing to note is that incidents 1, 2 and 5, do not entail any telepathy whatsoever (1 being techno/telekinesis, 2 and 5 being telekinesis) are therefore irrelevant and will not be discussed any further.
- Secondly, incident 7 never occurred at all and therefore will not be discussed any further.
- Therefore let's examine the cases that may have telepathic basis: #3, 4, 6, 8 and 9.
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6. Apocalypse mind controlled the Inhuman population including the Dark Riders. Especially good, because Psynapse (one of the inhumans) is a very powerful psychic, with his own section of the astral plane
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...cmindconrol.png

- We'll begin with this one as it's the simplest. Apocalypse did not telepathically mind control the Inhumans. They were suborned via brainwashing. The brainwashing is a technological process rather than a telepathic one as depicted here - as baby Cable is resisting the technological suborning process.
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3. A weakened Apocalypse punks Jean Grey (Phoenix!) psionically.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...5/psionic53.png

- First thing to note is to refer to her as Phoenix is somewhat disingenuous. Jean Grey did not have access to the Phoenix Force at all between X-Factor v1 #65 until New X-Men #120.
- Secondly this is not a feat of any actual active telepathy. Jean Grey is not telepathically attacked, she has her own telepathic attack reflected back at her. It is rather a feat of mental defense.
- Thirdly the on-panel dialogue alludes to Apocalypse lacking telepathy whatsoever as he reacts to it as something he has yet to encounter. "So you have the power to see into men's minds, to influence them... to control them. Surely, there is no power greater than that. This is something I shall prepare for!" This apparent lack of telepathy will be discussed further below.
- Lastly, these mental defenses have been depicted in a less favourable light against Jean Grey.
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- This is Apocalypse only possible feat of offensive telepathy and the first thing to note is this isn't conclusively telepathy. I can't recall ever seeing telepathy accompanied by a sound effect such as the "Zrak." in this scan. The energy of the attack surrounds Xavier's upper body not just his head and it could simply be an energy blast.
- Secondly this is not Apocalypse under normal conditions, this is Apocalypse amplified by a Celestial device drawing upon the power of the Twelve and Nate Grey.
- Thirdly, Xavier was not as far as depicted rendered unconscious - as he was active when next seen on panel.
- Fourthly, if indeed this is telepathy it doesn't give any gauge as to telepathic ability - telepaths are not passively any more resistant to telepathy than anyone else. Telepaths do not constantly defend either.

A telepathic sucker punch knocking someone down briefly is really no different than a physical sucker punch doing the same thing, with regard to the fact that a weaker person is capable of doing it to a stronger person.
To illustrate this point here is Emma Frost psiblasting Nate Grey:
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/...05003yp8rc0.jpg

- And finally, I'll reiterate this for emphasis - this is a one-off occurrence of offensive telepathy, never seen before and never seen again.
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8. Apocalypse reads Ozymandias’ mind of all the events that happened since X-Ecutioner’s Song in a moment.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...95/powers10.png

- There isn't much to say about this, mind reading is a relatively rudimentary telepathic feat when compared to most other telepaths. Xavier has been doing this since he was a teenager, and on an aside Xavier has been shown psiblasting in utero.
- Ozymandias has kept secrets from Apocalypse so this is relatively incomplete mind-reading.
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9. Apocalypse telekinetically tosses a giant boulder at Exodus, including communicating with Exodus telepathically while he's in his palace from afar.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...exodustele1.png
Apocalypse talks through Mantis creature telepathically.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...odusmantis3.png

- Those are speech bubbles indicating someone off-panel is speaking aloud not telepathic communication bubbles. The Scarab Beast emerges from the ground revealing it to be the one speaking.
- There's nothing to suggest anyone is talking through the Scarab Beast creature telepathically. If anything the creature can speak independently referring to itself as "me".
- Even if there was any evidence to support the claim made, it most certainly wouldn't support a notion of superiority to Xavier. Typhoid Mary can control weak-willed beasts too.

So what can we conclude thus far from the above?
- Out of all the "telepathic" feats ascribed to Apocalypse most are not actually telepathic, never occurred or have no evidence for their occurrence (1-7, 9).
- Only one shows something that is definitively telepathic, incident 8. And this is relatively weak telepathy.
- The only other incident is the psiblast, which may not actually be a psiblast at all - and a psiblast sucker punch gives no indication of the level of telepathic power or skill. If it was indeed a psiblast, the same effect would have likely been observed whether it had been a random Morlock or Saturn Girl.

So let's move onto a related question:
Does Apocalypse have telepathy at all?

Well the first strike against him having telepathy is his reaction in incident 3 above where he speaks of telepathy as something he has yet to encounter.

The second is his apparent inability to travel to the Astral Plane on his own accord.
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3945/58182587fr3.jpg
- It's been stated by some without evidence that this was due to the need to be physically transported to the Astral Plane - there is no evidence of IW nor Cable nor Apocalypse being physically on the Astral Plane. As the name dictates you cannot be physically on the Astral Plane afaik.
- The three travel in astral form via the Astral Plane, to sneak into Onslaught's Citadel which is outside of the Astral Plane made of solidified telepathic energy can be accessed via the Astral or Physical Planes. Upon entering the Citadel outside of the Astral Plane they are instantly detected and, like the Citadel is telepathic energy made physical, they are physical beings there too. IW is revealed having been kept concealed telepathically as they traversed the Astral Plane into the Citadel.

And finally there is this:
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9914/93421844ou4.jpg
The last of these five telepaths is Emma Frost. From which one can conclude that if Marvel ever did or still does consider Apocalypse a telepath at all, he at the very least isn't of the level of any of those five.

Verdict:
It is questionable whether Apocalypse has any telepathic ability at all and there's nothing to suggest he is equal to or superior to Xavier under normal conditions.
Busted? I think so, but you be the judge.


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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Myth: Apocalypse under normal conditions has substantive telepathy, equal to or surpassing Charles Xavier

Firstly I'll repost verbatim some of the incidents used to justify this myth:
- The first thing to note is that incidents 1, 2 and 5, do not entail any telepathy whatsoever (1 being techno/telekinesis, 2 and 5 being telekinesis) are therefore irrelevant and will not be discussed any further.
- Secondly, incident 7 never occurred at all and therefore will not be discussed any further.
- Therefore let's examine the cases that may have telepathic basis: #3, 4, 6, 8 and 9.
- We'll begin with this one as it's the simplest. Apocalypse did not telepathically mind control the Inhumans. They were suborned via brainwashing. The brainwashing is a technological process rather than a telepathic one as depicted here - as baby Cable is resisting the technological suborning process.
- First thing to note is to refer to her as Phoenix is somewhat disingenuous. Jean Grey did not have access to the Phoenix Force at all between X-Factor v1 #65 until New X-Men #120.
- Secondly this is not a feat of any actual active telepathy. Jean Grey is not telepathically attacked, she has her own telepathic attack reflected back at her. It is rather a feat of mental defense.
- Thirdly the on-panel dialogue alludes to Apocalypse lacking telepathy whatsoever as he reacts to it as something he has yet to encounter. "So you have the power to see into men's minds, to influence them... to control them. Surely, there is no power greater than that. This is something I shall prepare for!" This apparent lack of telepathy will be discussed further below.
- Lastly, these mental defenses have been depicted in a less favourable light against Jean Grey.

- This is Apocalypse only possible feat of offensive telepathy and the first thing to note is this isn't conclusively telepathy. I can't recall ever seeing telepathy accompanied by a sound effect such as the "Zrak." in this scan. The energy of the attack surrounds Xavier's upper body not just his head and it could simply be an energy blast.
- Secondly this is not Apocalypse under normal conditions, this is Apocalypse amplified by a Celestial device drawing upon the power of the Twelve and Nate Grey.
- Thirdly, Xavier was not as far as depicted rendered unconscious - as he was active when next seen on panel.
- Fourthly, if indeed this is telepathy it doesn't give any gauge as to telepathic ability - telepaths are not passively any more resistant to telepathy than anyone else. Telepaths do not constantly defend either.

A telepathic sucker punch knocking someone down briefly is really no different than a physical sucker punch doing the same thing, with regard to the fact that a weaker person is capable of doing it to a stronger person.
To illustrate this point here is Emma Frost psiblasting Nate Grey:
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/...05003yp8rc0.jpg

- And finally, I'll reiterate this for emphasis - this is a one-off occurrence of offensive telepathy, never seen before and never seen again.

- There isn't much to say about this, mind reading is a relatively rudimentary telepathic feat when compared to most other telepaths. Xavier has been doing this since he was a teenager, and on an aside Xavier has been shown psiblasting in utero.
- Ozymandias has kept secrets from Apocalypse so this is relatively incomplete mind-reading.

- Those are speech bubbles indicating someone off-panel is speaking aloud not telepathic communication bubbles. The Scarab Beast emerges from the ground revealing it to be the one speaking.
- There's nothing to suggest anyone is talking through the Scarab Beast creature telepathically. If anything the creature can speak independently referring to itself as "me".
- Even if there was any evidence to support the claim made, it most certainly wouldn't support a notion of superiority to Xavier. Typhoid Mary can control weak-willed beasts too.

So what can we conclude thus far from the above?
- Out of all the "telepathic" feats ascribed to Apocalypse most are not actually telepathic, never occurred or have no evidence for their occurrence (1-7, 9).
- Only one shows something that is definitively telepathic, incident 8. And this is relatively weak telepathy.
- The only other incident is the psiblast, which may not actually be a psiblast at all - and a psiblast sucker punch gives no indication of the level of telepathic power or skill. If it was indeed a psiblast, the same effect would have likely been observed whether it had been a random Morlock or Saturn Girl.

So let's move onto a related question:
Does Apocalypse have telepathy at all?

Well the first strike against him having telepathy is his reaction in incident 3 above where he speaks of telepathy as something he has yet to encounter.

The second is his apparent inability to travel to the Astral Plane on his own accord.
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3945/58182587fr3.jpg
- It's been stated by some without evidence that this was due to the need to be physically transported to the Astral Plane - there is no evidence of IW nor Cable nor Apocalypse being physically on the Astral Plane. As the name dictates you cannot be physically on the Astral Plane afaik.
- The three travel in astral form via the Astral Plane, to sneak into Onslaught's Citadel which is outside of the Astral Plane made of solidified telepathic energy can be accessed via the Astral or Physical Planes. Upon entering the Citadel outside of the Astral Plane they are instantly detected and, like the Citadel is telepathic energy made physical, they are physical beings there too. IW is revealed having been kept concealed telepathically as they traversed the Astral Plane into the Citadel.

And finally there is this:
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9914/93421844ou4.jpg
The last of these five telepaths is Emma Frost. From which one can conclude that if Marvel ever did or still does consider Apocalypse a telepath at all, he at the very least isn't of the level of any of those five.

Verdict:
It is questionable whether Apocalypse has any telepathic ability at all and there's nothing to suggest he is equal to or superior to Xavier under normal conditions.
Busted? I think so, but you be the judge.


Totally agree yes


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We'll begin with this one as it's the simplest. Apocalypse did not telepathically mind control the Inhumans. They were suborned via brainwashing.


How did Apocalypse manage to brainwash Crystal? Wasn't she one of the many who attacked Apocalypse's base?

I'm not an expert on Crystal's powers... but what is all that pink energy surrounding Apocalypse's head?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...cmindconrol.png

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Secondly this is not a feat of any actual active telepathy. Jean Grey is not telepathically attacked, she has her own telepathic attack reflected back at her. It is rather a feat of mental defense.


Or maybe Apocalypse did to Jean Grey what Exodus did to Sersi...?

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I've never seen someone with mental defenses being capable of reflecting telepathic attacks.

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Thirdly the on-panel dialogue alludes to Apocalypse lacking telepathy whatsoever as he reacts to it as something he has yet to encounter.


Apocalypse was aware of telepathy long before The Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix.

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Lastly, these mental defenses have been depicted in a less favourable light against Jean Grey.


It was the f*cking love connection between Jean and Cyclops.


The ending was rubbish. anyway...

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Secondly this is not Apocalypse under normal conditions, this is Apocalypse amplified by a Celestial device drawing upon the power of the Twelve and Nate Grey.


All the more reason then that Xavier's head should have been f*cking blown apart. no expression

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The Scarab Beast emerges from the ground revealing it to be the one speaking.


The creature was teleported there, so it couldn't have been the one speaking.

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There's nothing to suggest anyone is talking through the Scarab Beast creature telepathically. If anything the creature can speak independently referring to itself as "me".


Or Apocalypse simply did not care to acknowledge that he was controlling the creature.

And why would Apocalypse let some low servant speak instead of him? The dialogue also sounds like Apocalypse..

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It is questionable whether Apocalypse has any telepathic ability at all and there's nothing to suggest he is equal to or superior to Xavier under normal conditions.


...Why do you keep saying that? I, for one, have never believed that Apocalypse has greater telepathy than Xavier.


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We can't really bust some of these myths base on feats. The writers can make changes or upgrades to the characters which can out perform their previous skills. So we can't really go with the judgements of "Busted" or "Confirmed" like Jamie and Adam do when they test a myth. Here we can come to conclusions like "Plausible"

However, there are some facts which do hold in arguments.

Case in point.

Batman can beat Superman.


False! Batman can only SLOW Superman with the Kryptonian ring. He can't beat him. Period!

No ring...No Batman beats Superman.

Can Batman outsmart Superman?

Yes! He can predict Superman's attacks. He can estimate Superman's moves...can he beat him? No..at least physically...he cannot. Is Batman smarter than Superman? yeah.

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How did Apocalypse manage to brainwash Crystal? Wasn't she one of the many who attacked Apocalypse's base?

I'm not an expert on Crystal's powers... but what is all that pink energy surrounding Apocalypse's head?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...cmindconrol.png

Or maybe Apocalypse did to Jean Grey what Exodus did to Sersi...?

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I've never seen someone with mental defenses being capable of reflecting telepathic attacks.

Apocalypse was aware of telepathy long before The Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix.

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It was the f*cking love connection between Jean and Cyclops.
The ending was rubbish. anyway...

All the more reason then that Xavier's head should have been f*cking blown apart. no expression

The creature was teleported there, so it couldn't have been the one speaking.

Or Apocalypse simply did not care to acknowledge that he was controlling the creature.

And why would Apocalypse let some low servant speak instead of him? The dialogue also sounds like Apocalypse..

...Why do you keep saying that? I, for one, have never believed that Apocalypse has greater telepathy than Xavier.
Crystal was captured in the issue prior. Presumably she was brainwashed as Medusa was brainwashed as they were trying to brainwash baby Cable. erm
I have no idea why Apocalypse for some reason is entirely colored pink in that panel. Presumably the entire background being colored pink in another panel indicates the background is using telepathy.

Exodus reflecting Sersi's attack really isn't a feat of active telepathy just as Apocalypse reflecting Jean's energy back at her. The mental energy that harms her is her own green energy signature reflected back at her.
Using that feat to attribute anything more than mental defenses to Exodus would be fallacious, just as with the Apocalypse-Jean incident.
However Exodus has other telepathic feats to his name for him to be acknowledged as a telepath.

I'm not aware of when exactly that speech between the Celestial and Apocalypse occurs issue-wise or chronology-wise. It's interesting though that Apocalypse doesn't converse via telepathy, and that the Celestial for some reason feels the need to explain it's using telepathic communication to Apocalypse - of course that's really neither here nor there. What is relevant to that scan however is that in that scan of supposed telepathy, Apocalypse reacts to it as a novel thing.

Normal durability characters often take energy attacks without suffering what should be the full consequences. Chalk it up to writers not wanting characters to die that easily.

The creature emerged from beneath the ground. Sand falls from it as it surfaces - they are clearly speech bubbles at any rate. There's still nothing to suggest anybody speaking through it, besides wishful thinking.

I didn't say that you did propagate this, the thread is about myths propagated. At some point someone disseminated this myth, and I've seen it pop up in multiple threads. I felt like addressing it.

I think the myth as stated above is busted others are welcome to disagree, there's a thread already to discuss it elsewhere anyway.


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Myth: Odin was unable to defeat Thanos

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Bam.

That was retconned into being a clone.

But Bam.


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I'm not aware of when exactly that speech between the Celestial and Apocalypse occurs issue-wise or chronology-wise.


X-Men vol. 2, #186

It's meant to take place way back when Apocalypse first bonds with and gains Celestial technology to his disposal.

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It's interesting though that Apocalypse doesn't converse via telepathy, and that the Celestial for some reason feels the need to explain it's using telepathic communication to Apocalypse - of course that's really neither here nor there. What is relevant to that scan however is that in that scan of supposed telepathy, Apocalypse reacts to it as a novel thing.


Apocalypse pretty much discovers the power of telepathy for the first time there.

Apocalypse's power set has always been very flimsy. Back in Rise of Apocalypse, his mutant ability wasn't just to alter his atomic structure, but he also displayed energy projection and levitation (telekinesis) before coming across any technology at all. It's rather unclear just what exactly the Celestial tech granted Apocalypse. But if anything, I'd say that it could have been telepathy.

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The creature emerged from beneath the ground. Sand falls from it as it surfaces - they are clearly speech bubbles at any rate. There's still nothing to suggest anybody speaking through it, besides wishful thinking.


So, what's with the big explosion when the creature shows up?


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I'm guessing it's from Scarab Beast bursting out of the ground...

If the off-panel speech isn't from the creature, then I guess someone just has a really loud voice. erm


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I'm guessing it's from Scarab Beast bursting out of the ground...


Bursting out of the ground causes energy explosions?

I wonder why that didn't happen when this guy burst out of the ground...

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If the off-panel speech isn't from the creature, then I guess someone just has a really loud voice. erm


Or it could be Apoc speaking to Exodus telepathically. Telepathic communication bubbles, as seen by the artist, could maybe just be normal speech bubbles.


Unless of course there's some other issue with the same artist that has telepathic bubbles done differently...


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I might do the 'Sentry brainwashed the world' myth.


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Perhaps the creature decided to enter with a bang? I don't know. What I do know is that the speech is quite clearly as depicted smooth unbroken vocal speech balloons - firstly as off-panel speech and then later the same style used pointing towards the creature. erm

The rest is just supposition. "Telepathic communication bubbles, as seen by the artist, could maybe just be normal speech bubbles." blink Does that mean throughout the entire issue everyone is telepathically conversing? It makes no sense. no expression

Telepathy in comics is depicted with double dashed lines breaking the balloon, be it a cloud balloon or a smooth balloon. If a comic reader knows this, I have no reason to doubt a comic artist knows this.

I don't have access to my comics right now, but if it's really necessary then I can have a look at Jim Cheung's other comics to see if he's as ignorant of this and inept as you believe him to be...


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The rest is just supposition. "Telepathic communication bubbles, as seen by the artist, could maybe just be normal speech bubbles." blink Does that mean throughout the entire issue everyone is telepathically conversing? It makes no sense. no expression


Of course it doesn't.


I'm grasping at strings here.

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Telepathy in comics is depicted with double dashed lines breaking the balloon, be it a cloud balloon or a smooth balloon. If a comic reader knows this, I have no reason to doubt a comic artist knows this.

I don't have access to my comics right now, but if it's really necessary then I can have a look at Jim Cheung's other comics to see if he's as ignorant of this and inept as you believe him to be...


You do that.


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Myth: Batman's kick hurt Spectre
Tales of the Unexpected #4
How many times did we hear that Batman hurt the Spectre with the bat-kick? To many to count, but in reality it did nothing and Sprectre even mentions he made to make Batman feel good about the situation as it was hopeless for him.

1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/...eMan616/019.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/...eMan616/020.jpg


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I keep hearing different things about Lucifer and Yahweh:


1) Did Lucifer create a Universe or a Multiverse ? Was it first a universe, later retconned to a multiverse, or was it a universe filled with alternate realities?


2) A certain member stated that Yahweh had created a "sea of multiverses" when all that is mentioned is Yahweh's "one creation" which he made after several "practice creations".

Then the only other creation mentioned is Lucifer's, which once merged with Yahweh's become's Elaine's.

So where is this "sea of multiverses"...I would like to know...


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We can't really bust some of these myths base on feats. The writers can make changes or upgrades to the characters which can out perform their previous skills. So we can't really go with the judgements of "Busted" or "Confirmed" like Jamie and Adam do when they test a myth. Here we can come to conclusions like "Plausible"

However, there are some facts which do hold in arguments.

Case in point.

Batman can beat Superman.


False! Batman can only SLOW Superman with the Kryptonian ring. He can't beat him. Period!

No ring...No Batman beats Superman.

Can Batman outsmart Superman?

Yes! He can predict Superman's attacks. He can estimate Superman's moves...can he beat him? No..at least physically...he cannot. Is Batman smarter than Superman? yeah.

(Too lazy to post scans)


better detective? sure. smarter all round? no, i dont believe so...


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Myth: Batman's kick hurt Spectre
Tales of the Unexpected #4
How many times did we hear that Batman hurt the Spectre with the bat-kick? To many to count, but in reality it did nothing and Sprectre even mentions he made to make Batman feel good about the situation as it was hopeless for him.

1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/...eMan616/019.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/...eMan616/020.jpg

I don't think that one is so much a myth as it is a running joke. Like Darkseid falling down the stairs.

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I don't think that one is so much a myth as it is a running joke. Like Darkseid falling down the stairs.


Naaaa I just corrected people who were under the assumption Batman actually ko'ed him erm


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