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Re: Re: Re: Re: The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. The Classic Beyonder

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Um NO. THe LT is backed by the writer as it states he answers only to TOAA. The only reason he lost to thanos with the heart is because he wasn't backed by the writer.

Nice.

The Beyonder was also backed by the Writer (who is also the Editor in Chief)

See how this creates a paradox.

My writer vs your writer. laughing out loud

In which case Shooter wins, since Shooter was both Writer and Editor in-Chief. yes

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Or his three faces didn't agree. We all know that is a weakness of the LT's .

That's definitely not the reason, LT was simply curbstomped by the power of God.

And that's not a weakness, it simply prohibits him to act,
but if LT acts, LT's coming at cha full LT style.

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Nice.

The Beyonder was also backed by the Writer (who is also the Editor in Chief)

See how this creates a paradox.

My writer vs your writer.

In which case Shooter wins, since Shooter was both Writer and Editor in-Chief.

That's definitely not the reason, LT was simply curbstomped by the power of God.

And that's not a weakness, it simply prohibits him to act,
but if LT acts, LT's coming at cha full LT style.

Either way, The LT is simply God of Marvel as long as The One above deams it so. Really, He is the match of the classic Beyonder in Everyway. There is NOTHING that the classic beyonder could do in Marvel that the LT couldn't undo, or remake.

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Yes. He was actually going to strip away all power from the 616 and just swap out the spine of the MU with the Ultimate U. He never showed such power in the days of the secret wars.

Like I said earlier, Shooter made Beyonder the all. Doin that, he made enemies at Marvel. Hence the numerous retcons

Again, if TOAA wants Living Tribunal to defeat Beyonder. IMO, he will

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Like I said earlier, Shooter made Beyonder the all. Doin that, he made enemies at Marvel. Hence the numerous retcons

Again, if TOAA wants Living Tribunal to defeat Beyonder. IMO, he will

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Like I said earlier, Shooter made Beyonder the all. Doin that, he made enemies at Marvel. Hence the numerous retcons

Again, if TOAA wants Living Tribunal to defeat Beyonder. IMO, he will

My friends will discuss longer than me. Its hard comparing two different eras

Which is why you can't say that The beyonder is automatically more powerful than The LT using the OLD showings of the LT in a preretconned era.

May 28th, 2008 07:24 PM

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. The Classic Beyonder

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Either way,
The LT is simply God of Marvel as long as The One above deams it so.

Not true. The LT has never been God.

But Beyonder really was God as long as Toaa/Editor in-Chief (Shooter) was there.

So again, this match up is senseless if we turn the LT into THOTI/Toaa.

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Really, He is the match of the classic Beyonder in Everyway. There is NOTHING that the classic beyonder could do in Marvel that the LT couldn't undo, or remake. [/B]

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The Beyonder was also backed by the Writer (who is also the Editor in Chief)

See how this creates a paradox.

My writer vs your writer.

In which case Shooter wins, since Shooter was both Writer and Editor in-Chief.

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Not true. The LT has never been God.

But Beyonder really was God as long as Toaa/Editor in-Chief (Shooter) was there.

So again, this match up is senseless if we turn the LT into THOTI/Toaa.

Even if it creates a paradox, it does really show that The classic beyonder is in no way far more powerful than the LT who really does have the backing of the one above all in today's marvel U. The LT has never been God, and niether has Thanos nor The Beyonder. The God of marvel is The one above all. always has been.

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Again, if TOAA wants Living Tribunal to defeat Beyonder. IMO, he will

What if Jim Shooter doesn't want Beyonder to lose, then what?

See, that's a conflict of interest.

Which is why it's a stalemate,
not against the LT, but against THOTI itself.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. The Classic Beyonder

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Even if it creates a paradox, it does really show that The classic beyonder is in no way far more powerful than the LT who really does have the backing of the one above all in today's marvel U. The LT has never been God, and niether has Thanos nor The Beyonder. The God of marvel is The one above all. always has been.

I find it interesting that there is no definitive proof that HOTU was TOAA's power,yet we have proof LT is only under TOAA,and yet beyonder and molecule man made him tremble with fear in the past.

So if today the beyonder showed up and everything happened exactly as it did before....would everybody say that Beyonder had TOAA's power?Would we say Molecule man has TOAA"S power?

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Even if it creates a paradox, it does really show that The classic beyonder is in no way far more powerful than the LT who really does have the backing of the one above all in today's marvel U.

So Beyonder didn't really have the backing of Shooter?

When Shooter even made enemies because he backed the Beyonder so much.

Again,

my writer vs your writer.

and my writer/editor in-chief wins.

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The LT has never been God

True that.

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and niether has Thanos nor The Beyonder.

False.

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The God of marvel is The one above all. always has been.

He is, but hasn't always been.

During Beyonder's era, Beyonder was the Supreme power,
far beyond all of Marvel.

"Toaa" (and more) if anything, was Shooter,
and Shooter created Beyonder, and Secret Wars so ...

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So Beyonder didn't really have the backing of Shooter?

When Shooter even made enemies because he backed the Beyonder so much.

Again,

my writer vs your writer.

and my writer/editor in-chief wins.

True that.

False.

He is, but hasn't always been.

During Beyonder's era, Beyonder was the Supreme power,
far beyond all of Marvel.

"Toaa" (and more) if anything, was Shooter,
and Shooter created Beyonder, and Secret Wars so ...

If this is true and there was no The one above all when the beyonder came, then that would mean the LT did get a retcon, because he now serves a boss who obviously has given him a massive power amp.

May 28th, 2008 07:55 PM

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Beyonder is not omniscient

Beyonder can be defeated

Do you really think that TOAA couldn't defeat him while Dr. Doom could?

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. The C

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If this is true and there was no The one above all when the beyonder came, then

that would mean the LT did get a retcon, because he now serves a boss who obviously has given him a massive power amp.

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion,
but, whatever you say.

In the end, the fact is:

My writer vs your writer.

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I have no idea how you came to that conclusion,
but, whatever you say.

In the end, the fact is:

My writer vs your writer.

It's simple. If you say the beyonder was God of the Classic Days ( I do not agree since he didn't create the MU and he himself is a creation) but what ever, and there was no mention of the One above all as The LT's boss, and now the LT serves TOAA, It would seem the LT got a retcon when ever TOAA got introduced. Which is AFTER the classic Beyonder series. Thus he would indeed be more powerful as he has a more powerful authority backing him and giving him his power.

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Beyonder is not omniscient

According to Marvel comics, he was.

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Beyonder can be defeated

Unless he willed it, no such thing ever happened.

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Do you really think that TOAA couldn't defeat him while Dr. Doom could?

Unfortunately Doom did nothing without the Beyonder's approval.

To begin with, that wasn't even Doom,
that was Beyonder's coercion at work.
(he plucked a non-existent Doom from the Future)

On top of that,

We later learned that Beyonder sub-consciously allowed Doom to take much of his power,
Beyonder always wanted to give others their wishes,
that was the whole point of Secret Wars,
"slay your enemies, and all you desire, shall be yours."
(but Doom wanted his power so much, and Beyonder in his newb state, gave it to em)

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Of course he wasn't omniscient, the whole point was that he was trying to learn about humanity. He never could figure out what humans would do or how they reacted. He even got killed in the end by Molecule Man.

Furthermore, TOAA created Beyonder and Doom and Molecule Man, and everything that was going on....

TOAA drew their comics and wrote the plots.

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What if Jim Shooter doesn't want Beyonder to lose, then what?

See, that's a conflict of interest.

Which is why it's a stalemate,
not against the LT, but against THOTI itself.

I'm just gonna have fun with my good friend

The new writers gang up on Shooter big grin

Point is always respected smile

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[B]It's simple. If you say the beyonder was God of the Classic Days ( I do not agree since he didn't create the MU and he himself is a creation) but what ever

I never said Beyonder was God of the classic days.

I said Beyonder was the supreme power.

Someone else created the Marvel Universe, Infinity Being.

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and there was no mention of the One above all as The LT's boss, and now the LT serves TOAA, It would seem the LT got a retcon when ever TOAA got introduced. Which is AFTER the classic Beyonder series. Thus he would indeed be more powerful as he has a more powerful authority backing him and giving him his power.

If you want to believe that, be my guess.

But the LT has never been retconned.

There was never an official introduction of Toaa.

There's no mention anywhere of any kind of the LT's power fluctuating in any way,
in any form, at any time, ever.

TOAA (if anything) was Shooter. smile

(I told you this already)
Shooter made Beyonder, "God before Genesis"
Shooter made Beyonder, "a Multiverse" ... ridiculous infinities larger than all of Marvel.

When Beyonder entered the Marvel Universe,
he took over scared the mightiest powers,
and became Reality itself, of every particle.

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Of course he wasn't omniscient, the whole point was that he was trying to learn about humanity. He never could figure out what humans would do or how they reacted.

That's because Humanity was so beneath him.

If the infinite Marvel Universe was like a drop of water to this guy,
how much more insignificant would humanity be? erm

616 itself,
was like single celled paramecia swimming in said drop of water according to Shooter.

laughing out loud

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He even got killed in the end by Molecule Man.

You mean when he trasformed himself into a helpless infant?

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Furthermore,
TOAA created Beyonder and Doom and Molecule Man,
and everything that was going on....

Nah, Jim Shooter created Beyonder & Doom & MM & all else.

And according to this OAA:

Jim Shooter himself describes Classic Beyonder to us:

Jim states:

1. Beyonder "is a Multi-verse."

2. Beyonder "was like God before there was Genesis."

3. Beyonder's discovery of our Universe ... (Marvel Multiverse)

.... was like when inventor Leeuwenhoek, looked through his micro-scope ...

.... and discovered little paramecia swimming in a drop of water ... "

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