In the original series episode "Space Seed", where Khan is first introduced, Kirk beats him in a fight, barely beats him, but he pulls a win. Khan is about five times stronger than an average human and has greatly increased speed and stamina. WTF has Solo done?
One has to consider Solos habit of ALWAYS beating the odds.
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I think Kirk's record of besting far more powerful foes would qualify as that too. So that's wash.
Unless of course, you count the time Han was captured like a little *****, frozen and turn into a decoration. Then had to wait for a woman to rescue him, not sure that counts as "always beating the odds".
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Kirk: "When Khan is first introduced, I beat him in a fight, barely beat him, but I pulled a win. Khan is about five times stronger than an average human and has greatly increased speed and stamina. But I won."
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My statement was in terms as it relates to the word "military". So, from a military perspective, Starfleet is at best a defense force. I stated that to show that it is NOT primarily a military force, but a peaceful organization of science and exploration.
Observe:
"Its principal functions were the advancement of Federation knowledge about the galaxy and its inhabitants, the advancement of Federation knowledge of science and technology, and the military defense of the Federation."
"Starfleet has been shown to handle diplomatic, scientific, and defense missions, although their main mandate seems to be peaceful exploration in the search of sentient life."
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Kirk had PIS on his side whenever he needed it. Much like Superman, writers made Kirk as tough, fast, strong and smart as he needed to be to:
A. Get the girl
B. Overshadow Spock
C. Defeat the villain.
Hans had to be tougher to survive in the Star Wars universe. There, everyone dies. Good, evil, or anti-hero (Han).
Also Han was much more ruthless. He"d definitely shoot first. And he'dve violated the Prime Directive countless times just because it benefited him to do so.
Hans toughness outlasts Kirk's aura. Just barely.
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Everyone dies in the ST universe too, though I doubt your original point is valid in this fight. It amounts to "Han wins, just cuz".
This is a fist fight, so your "shoot first" is also not valid. Of mention, Kirk is not your standard Star Fleet captain, he's isn't very diplomatic.
How does Han's "toughness outlast Kirk's aura"? I've given several examples of Kirk beating, outlasting and enduring far more powerful foes. Khan being one of them. Aura, wtf?
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Straight up fight? Han! Han Solo seems to be the one more likely to not fight fair/fight dirty.
Someone said the carbonite freezing contradicts the fact Han Solo always beats the odds? He survived it! He was rescued from it! What are the odds of that?
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